Quote Originally Posted by Devils Horse View Post
Like never before since when? Since the last hundred years or so?

How do the left and their scientists explain PROVEN GW in the past before man was even a factor? Dinosaur flatulence?

My contention is you and those on left overestimate man's importance and impact on the earth's climate. When supposedly learned scientists state cows passing gas is a big problem, that enforces my point. Sounds more like left wing European flakes using GW scare tactics to push vegetarianism than science.

Far as attacking Mr. Obama and Al Gore, liars and hypocrites make that pretty easy to do.

Evidently you didn't read the information in the link I provided to Wikipedia. But that's ok. I didn't expect some of you to see the facts when they are right there in your face.

You show how silly you are when you talk about "Dinosaur Flatulence". That's going down to 3 rd grade level of intelligence. Funny fart jokes are funny but they don't counter any real facts from the real climate scientists at NOAA or the Academy of Science. If you really would like to know how the scientist figure out the climate of the earth in the past just ask a Geologist how they do it. You can probably go to the Geology Dept of either Purdue University or Indiana University or any other University such as UK or Louisville that has a Geology Dept. You could take a Historical Geology Class and learn about this too. That's what I did. There are paleontologists that study the plant and pollen fossil in the different strata of the earth and determine the type of plants that grow in certain climates and where they died and how long ago they died. Organic matter starts to decay after death and the remains of plant material can be carbon dated to determine when it was alive and when it died. The location and depth gives us clues as to when they were buried. The lower layers were deposited first and the upper layers were laid down on top. So that gives the Geologist a time line. Deep sedimentary rock is older than the sedimentary rocks at the surface. But I don't know why I'm wasting time trying to tell you this. It's probably going in one ear and out the other. Suffice it to say that the people that really can do something about this know what's going on with the Global Warming. Which is why Obama is letting the USEPA regulate CO2 emissions via the Clean Air Act. The US Supreme Court has already agreed that the USEPA can regulate CO2 emissions as a pollutant that can be controlled by the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990.

I'm not saying that it's all man made. I don't deny that man is contributing to the problem though. There is a reason why the Earth has started warming more so since the start of the Industrial Revolution and when man started burning coal. What you don't know is that I've studied the burning of coal since the late 1970's and did surveys on how much coal was burned in our area and calculated the emissions that resulted from burning that coal. And I didn't even add the largest coal fired power plants in my survey. The State of Indiana IDEM did that via their own emission survey. And the data was provided by the Power Plants themselves. So if anything the amount of coal burned was probably under reported. And these Emission Surveys are conducted by all the states and reported to USEPA every few years.

I fail to see how cows passing gas proves anything you have to say about Global Warming. It's true that thousands of cows and other animals contribute small amounts of green House gases. Again you resort to the 3 grade level fart jokes, which is funny, but not really helping the discussion in any serous way. If you can't elevate your debate points to above the fart jokes then no one will take you seriously. They may find you funny but they won't you intellectual. Facts are facts and cows do produce methane. Large Feed lots produce a lot of methane gas. So do feed lots with pigs and other farm animals. But they pale in comparison to the amount of CO2 Green House gas that's produced hourly by a big coal fired boiler at a power plant. Funny but really insignificant in the discussion.

Left wing flakes. Now how does that help contribute to a serious discussion of the facts? I know a few right wing flakes on Fixed News but that really has nothing to do with a good discussion on whether the earth is getting warmer or not. Warming since man started keeping records.

What does Al Gore have to do with Global Warming. He is just the messenger and is saying the very same thing that (97% of the Climate Scientists are telling us. Al gore is not lying he is just stating facts. The people who call Al Gore a liar are the real problem IMHO. Those on the right that mock the truth are the problem not Al or Obama.

The facts are the facts and making fun of them or the people to tell us about the facts won't change anything.

Me personally I could give crap about what we do to prevent Global Warming. I'm not really for trying to control the CO2 emissions as I think it may cost way too much and have little effect on reversing Global Warming. I'm not going to be around when the **** hit the fan. It's not going to have any affect on me that I can see other than more and stronger storms. But hell I've already lived though a tornado and if the good lord wants to take me I really can't do nothing to stop him.

But the people that live along the coast may want to think about what they are going to do the next time another Katrana or Sandy floods them out for weeks at a time. And according to the people that actually know what they are talking about the floods and storms are getting more frequent and stronger with the increase in the Earth's Temperatures. Increase temperature is nothing more than an increase in energy in the system.

But it's really silly to try to deny that the Earth is actually getting warmer over the last few hundred years. Making dino fart jokes will not change that fact.