Obamacare or bushcare?

[roadrunner]

theres been enough crying over Obamacare, the Republicans need to put forth a real plan, that is better than Obamacare, to replace it, it should be easy for them to do,iffff Obamacare is as bad as they keep saying it is. the truth is they don't have a real plan, that is better than Obamacare, that will help all Americans. check out some of these plans they say they have, read the Bushcare plan real slow and see what you think of it. it should put some Government change in a lot of folks pocket.
http://theweek.com/article/index/256...cal-and-doomed

I can not believe you said this the Republicans have put forth many laws and many changes and Harry Reid has his head stuck so far up his butt he has not seen any of them.

I just read that the talking points for the Democrats is do not apologize and attack the Republicans and deny deny deny, deny that Obama care is bad, deny that obama care does not work, deny that obama care enrollment isn't good, deny Bengazi, deny IRS scandal,, Deny NSA spying, Deny Fast and Furious, deny and lie deny and lie. Harry Reid the Senate Speaker stand before congress and calls Americans that have spoken about their experiences with obama care liars what a piece of crap what has this world come to.

waterdog you need to start thinking for yourself and do not listen to the democrats talking points. I want you to think about how obama is destroying this country When Bush was president gas was almost 2:00 a gallon and we saw the news every day that stated with a photo of the gas prices the dem's thought it was a crisis not today. we got a body count every day for Bush but none for obama another crisis when it was Bushes numbers. obama has lost more troops than Bush but you would not know it. Think man think You want a plan better than obama care, what we had before was better and it was not good but we were better off before!!!!!

RANT OVER

[Les Young]

My buddy is in his 30s & has had 4 heart attacks & is on a bunch of medication & on SSI disability. Now with the socalled great Obamacare there is a huge copay for his meds & he has to do without part of them that the doctors say he absolutley must have because the copay is way more then he draws. I know this for a fact as he showed me the reciepts or stubs if you will that his uncle which is my brother in law went & payed so he could have his meds. The doctors office did get him some a one month supply of free samples for two of them after the drug company declined to give him any free meds whatsoever. He was sick & hospitalized awhile back & the state cut his little ssi check $100.00 each month to help pay for him being hospitalized.They said with the new Obamacare plan that the state is completely & 100% legal in cutting his check. Before this he only drew a little over $400.00 per month to start with & now without someone helping pay for his meds his future doesn't look to be a future for to long. That's what Obamacare does for people. It's as bad as the rest of his presidency & absolutley pitiful if you ask me. Without a doubt this is the most sorry ass president this nation has ever known. Surely there will never be another elected to the presidency that could possibly come close to being as sorry as him & his flunkies. I'm a registered democrat, but you can bet your ass I voted against Obama in both elections.

[waterdog101]

My buddy is in his 30s & has had 4 heart attacks & is on a bunch of medication & on SSI disability. Now with the socalled great Obamacare there is a huge copay for his meds & he has to do without part of them that the doctors say he absolutley must have because the copay is way more then he draws. I know this for a fact as he showed me the reciepts or stubs if you will that his uncle which is my brother in law went & payed so he could have his meds. The doctors office did get him some a one month supply of free samples for two of them after the drug company declined to give him any free meds whatsoever. He was sick & hospitalized awhile back & the state cut his little ssi check $100.00 each month to help pay for him being hospitalized.They said with the new Obamacare plan that the state is completely & 100% legal in cutting his check. Before this he only drew a little over $400.00 per month to start with & now without someone helping pay for his meds his future doesn't look to be a future for to long. That's what Obamacare does for people. It's as bad as the rest of his presidency & absolutley pitiful if you ask me. Without a doubt this is the most sorry ass president this nation has ever known. Surely there will never be another elected to the presidency that could possibly come close to being as sorry as him & his flunkies. I'm a registered democrat, but you can bet your ass I voted against Obama in both elections.

sorry to hear your friend is sick, Obamacare has one part in it, that I like and think you could be overlooking. under Obamacare the Insurance companys cannot deny coverage, to someone with a pre-existing condition. your friend has has 4 heart attacks, do you know of an insurance company that would even think of selling him a healthcare policy, without Obamacare forcing them to. Obamacare forces the Insurance co. to sell policies to sick folks as well as healthy folks, and if your friend don't make anymore money than you said he does, under Obamacare the Government pays for about 90% or more of the policy for him.

[GeoFisher]

sorry to hear your friend is sick, Obamacare has one part in it, that I like and think you could be overlooking. under Obamacare the Insurance companys cannot deny coverage, to someone with a pre-existing condition. your friend has has 4 heart attacks, do you know of an insurance company that would even think of selling him a healthcare policy, without Obamacare forcing them to. Obamacare forces the Insurance co. to sell policies to sick folks as well as healthy folks, and if your friend don't make anymore money than you said he does, under Obamacare the Government pays for about 90% or more of the policy for him.

Listen to yourself........

Just how is that insurance company supposed to pay for the claims encountered? PULL the money out of their ASS, because unless they have a happy ASS money tree, that insurance company will be bankrupt in a year or two.

THE ACA will use risk corridors to target failing insurance companies, and BAIL THEM OUT.

So, a private insurance company will get money just like GM to stay solvent, due to screwed up laws passed by OBAMA.

ARE YOU GETTING THAT? Or are you so freakin dense that you cannot understand that premise.

It simply amazes me that ass hats on the left think money grows on trees. you simply print more when you need to pay for unreal ****. Guess what boys and girls..........it doesn't work that way.

Oh well.

Later,

Geo

[waterdog101]

Listen to yourself........

Just how is that insurance company supposed to pay for the claims encountered? PULL the money out of their ASS, because unless they have a happy ASS money tree, that insurance company will be bankrupt in a year or two.

THE ACA will use risk corridors to target failing insurance companies, and BAIL THEM OUT.

So, a private insurance company will get money just like GM to stay solvent, due to screwed up laws passed by OBAMA.

ARE YOU GETTING THAT? Or are you so freakin dense that you cannot understand that premise.

It simply amazes me that ass hats on the left think money grows on trees. you simply print more when you need to pay for unreal ****. Guess what boys and girls..........it doesn't work that way.

Oh well.

Later,

Geo

I fully understand, how insurance co. make their money. and if they can refuse coverage to sick folks, to reduce their risk,they will or would and did, before Obamacare. now they have to insure the high risk as well as the young and healthy. anyone that has a pre-existing condition, should be able to see what Obamacare has done to help them, like the guy that has had 4 heart attacks, he will need health care, and insurance co. would leave him to care for himself, but with the help from Obamacare, the man has a chance to live.

[Les Young]

I totally understand what you're saying. He was getting his meds free, but with this screwed up program that has been implemented he simply can't get them without someone else helping pay it & believe me they are quite a bit more than he draws. I don't care at all to help him when it's possible just like my brother in law does, but without someone helping pay for them he will not live long the doctors say. In my opinion that it is pretty pitiful when you can't afford them & the drug companys won't help you out simply because of some stupid *ss program that some decided would benefit so many. It may possibly help some of the illegals that were all of a sudden given citizenship , but there are also folks born & raised here by familys that were born & raised hear for centuries that are suffering greatly because of Obamacare. If you ask me if someone needs meds to live then by all means they should recieve them & if they are on ssi because of something as legitimate & terminal as his case & many more are they should get it at no cast to them at all.

[Hlleonard]

I totally understand what you're saying. He was getting his meds free, but with this screwed up program that has been implemented he simply can't get them without someone else helping pay it & believe me they are quite a bit more than he draws. I don't care at all to help him when it's possible just like my brother in law does, but without someone helping pay for them he will not live long the doctors say. In my opinion that it is pretty pitiful when you can't afford them & the drug companys won't help you out simply because of some stupid *ss program that some decided would benefit so many. It may possibly help some of the illegals that were all of a sudden given citizenship , but there are also folks born & raised here by familys that were born & raised hear for centuries that are suffering greatly because of Obamacare. If you ask me if someone needs meds to live then by all means they should recieve them & if they are on ssi because of something as legitimate & terminal as his case & many more are they should get it at no cast to them at all.

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Don't know about your friends situation, not an advocate of healthcare but I personally know of two different situations where the person gets health insurance through obamacare and it doesn't cost him anything, his meds has a 1 dollar co-pay, don't understand how these situations can be so radically different... makes me think we aren't always getting the complete story either in one situation or the other.

[SLP]

I read this story which gives a couple examples of the life threatening consequence's of the Affordable Care Act.

Here are a few excerpts:

They had insurance, but their plans got canceled because of the Affordable Care Act, forcing them into ObamaCare. Now they’re discovering that ObamaCare plans aren’t for sick people. They offer “free” mammograms, “free” colonoscopies and “free” contraceptives — meaning you don’t have a copay. But if you have cancer, MS or Parkinson’s, you’re in trouble: Most ObamaCare plans skimp on specialists and life-saving drugs....

Dr. Jeffrey English, a Georgia neurologist who treats patients with advanced MS, worries that such patients forced into exchange plans will deteriorate rapidly. Some plans don’t cover six out of the 10 drugs that can treat MS, including the ones most effective at staving off irreversible paralysis....

Dr. Katherine Albrecht developed stage 3c breast cancer (which had spread to her lymph nodes) in 2011. Doctors at her local hospital in Nashua, NH, told her to get her affairs in order. But her Anthem PPO health insurance allowed her to go to Dana Farber Cancer Center in Boston, where she was successfully treated, and afterward to Cornell Breast Cancer Center.Her Anthem policy was canceled late last year, because it didn’t meet ObamaCare mandates such as maternity coverage. Yet ObamaCare-compliant policies in New Hampshire won’t cover care at 10 of the 26 hospitals in the state, and none outside the state — so if she’d been on ObamaCare when she got cancer, she couldn’t have gone to Boston for care. Albrecht says, “Under ObamaCare, I’d be dead.”...

Recently, the president urged Organizing for Action volunteers to enroll as many people as possible in ObamaCare before the March 31 deadline, calling it “God’s work.” Really? Maybe helping the uninsured is God’s work. But not convincing people with health problems to move into plans that won’t provide the care they need to stay alive. In the private sector, that would be fraud. It takes politics to a new low....

Here is a link to the full article


http://nypost.com/2014/03/04/how-oba...laps-the-sick/

[waterdog101]

Obamacare, it's bad, it's good. different folks for sure view it different. I read both good and bad things about it. I sure would like to see, everyone in this country be able to be treated by a Doctor, when they get sick. young or old, any color of skin or nationality, rich or poor. sickness pays a visit to us all, sooner or later. here is a link with some really good points for Obamacare.

http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/con...spc-026864.pdf

[SLP]

Obamacare, it's bad, it's good. different folks for sure view it different. I read both good and bad things about it. I sure would like to see, everyone in this country be able to be treated by a Doctor, when they get sick. young or old, any color of skin or nationality, rich or poor. sickness pays a visit to us all, sooner or later. here is a link with some really good points for Obamacare.

http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/con...spc-026864.pdf

I agree that more accessible healthcare and preventive care is a good thing, but it shouldn't ever be at the expense of others. To not provide adequate insurance so it results in denying sick people the proper doctors care or medicine which is needed in order to keep them alive feels evil to me. This is precisely what so many people had predicted would happen and were promised that it never would.

I do agree though that all those years when Bush was in office and healthcare prices were going through the roof it was becoming obvious to all that there was a looming crisis and something needed to be done. The republicans failure to do anything is also largely responsible for this mess because their inactivity paved the way for people to want to believe in anyone who was willing to promise a solution. They should have done more when they had the chance and maybe this country would never have voting in somebody like president Obama in the first place.

[GeoFisher]

I agree that more accessible healthcare and preventive care is a good thing, but it shouldn't ever be at the expense of others. To not provide adequate insurance so it results in denying sick people the proper doctors care or medicine which is needed in order to keep them alive feels evil to me. This is precisely what so many people had predicted would happen and were promised that it never would.

I do agree though that all those years when Bush was in office and healthcare prices were going through the roof it was becoming obvious to all that there was a looming crisis and something needed to be done. The republicans failure to do anything is also largely responsible for this mess because their inactivity paved the way for people to want to believe in anyone who was willing to promise a solution. They should have done more when they had the chance and maybe this country would never have voting in somebody like president Obama in the first place.

How about a little.......just a little TORT reform. We are sue happy. You could eliminate a significant cost to the delivery by lowering the costs.

Lawsuits cost the industry a ton of money. If there were limits to what you could recoup from a lawsuit, it would make a huge difference.

Malpractice Insurance also drives up costs.

Finally, Fraud and Abuse. Go after the fraud and abuse and put folks in JAIL.

Illegals..........Yet again, Cut them all off......period.

There are 4 republican ideas that are easy and immediate to implement. SIMPLE.

But it is still the republicans and Bush's fault.........

Later,

Geo

[SLP]

I agree with those any plenty of other things that should have been done. I just don't believe anyone can say that the republicans did a good job addressing the health care problems when they had the opportunity and as a result it benefited the democrats who once in office threw the baby out with the bath water.