Obamacare or bushcare?

[Les Young]

I totally understand what you're saying. He was getting his meds free, but with this screwed up program that has been implemented he simply can't get them without someone else helping pay it & believe me they are quite a bit more than he draws. I don't care at all to help him when it's possible just like my brother in law does, but without someone helping pay for them he will not live long the doctors say. In my opinion that it is pretty pitiful when you can't afford them & the drug companys won't help you out simply because of some stupid *ss program that some decided would benefit so many. It may possibly help some of the illegals that were all of a sudden given citizenship , but there are also folks born & raised here by familys that were born & raised hear for centuries that are suffering greatly because of Obamacare. If you ask me if someone needs meds to live then by all means they should recieve them & if they are on ssi because of something as legitimate & terminal as his case & many more are they should get it at no cast to them at all.

[Hlleonard]

I totally understand what you're saying. He was getting his meds free, but with this screwed up program that has been implemented he simply can't get them without someone else helping pay it & believe me they are quite a bit more than he draws. I don't care at all to help him when it's possible just like my brother in law does, but without someone helping pay for them he will not live long the doctors say. In my opinion that it is pretty pitiful when you can't afford them & the drug companys won't help you out simply because of some stupid *ss program that some decided would benefit so many. It may possibly help some of the illegals that were all of a sudden given citizenship , but there are also folks born & raised here by familys that were born & raised hear for centuries that are suffering greatly because of Obamacare. If you ask me if someone needs meds to live then by all means they should recieve them & if they are on ssi because of something as legitimate & terminal as his case & many more are they should get it at no cast to them at all.

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Don't know about your friends situation, not an advocate of healthcare but I personally know of two different situations where the person gets health insurance through obamacare and it doesn't cost him anything, his meds has a 1 dollar co-pay, don't understand how these situations can be so radically different... makes me think we aren't always getting the complete story either in one situation or the other.

[SLP]

I read this story which gives a couple examples of the life threatening consequence's of the Affordable Care Act.

Here are a few excerpts:

They had insurance, but their plans got canceled because of the Affordable Care Act, forcing them into ObamaCare. Now they’re discovering that ObamaCare plans aren’t for sick people. They offer “free” mammograms, “free” colonoscopies and “free” contraceptives — meaning you don’t have a copay. But if you have cancer, MS or Parkinson’s, you’re in trouble: Most ObamaCare plans skimp on specialists and life-saving drugs....

Dr. Jeffrey English, a Georgia neurologist who treats patients with advanced MS, worries that such patients forced into exchange plans will deteriorate rapidly. Some plans don’t cover six out of the 10 drugs that can treat MS, including the ones most effective at staving off irreversible paralysis....

Dr. Katherine Albrecht developed stage 3c breast cancer (which had spread to her lymph nodes) in 2011. Doctors at her local hospital in Nashua, NH, told her to get her affairs in order. But her Anthem PPO health insurance allowed her to go to Dana Farber Cancer Center in Boston, where she was successfully treated, and afterward to Cornell Breast Cancer Center.Her Anthem policy was canceled late last year, because it didn’t meet ObamaCare mandates such as maternity coverage. Yet ObamaCare-compliant policies in New Hampshire won’t cover care at 10 of the 26 hospitals in the state, and none outside the state — so if she’d been on ObamaCare when she got cancer, she couldn’t have gone to Boston for care. Albrecht says, “Under ObamaCare, I’d be dead.”...

Recently, the president urged Organizing for Action volunteers to enroll as many people as possible in ObamaCare before the March 31 deadline, calling it “God’s work.” Really? Maybe helping the uninsured is God’s work. But not convincing people with health problems to move into plans that won’t provide the care they need to stay alive. In the private sector, that would be fraud. It takes politics to a new low....

Here is a link to the full article


http://nypost.com/2014/03/04/how-oba...laps-the-sick/

[waterdog101]

Obamacare, it's bad, it's good. different folks for sure view it different. I read both good and bad things about it. I sure would like to see, everyone in this country be able to be treated by a Doctor, when they get sick. young or old, any color of skin or nationality, rich or poor. sickness pays a visit to us all, sooner or later. here is a link with some really good points for Obamacare.

http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/con...spc-026864.pdf

[SLP]

Obamacare, it's bad, it's good. different folks for sure view it different. I read both good and bad things about it. I sure would like to see, everyone in this country be able to be treated by a Doctor, when they get sick. young or old, any color of skin or nationality, rich or poor. sickness pays a visit to us all, sooner or later. here is a link with some really good points for Obamacare.

http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/con...spc-026864.pdf

I agree that more accessible healthcare and preventive care is a good thing, but it shouldn't ever be at the expense of others. To not provide adequate insurance so it results in denying sick people the proper doctors care or medicine which is needed in order to keep them alive feels evil to me. This is precisely what so many people had predicted would happen and were promised that it never would.

I do agree though that all those years when Bush was in office and healthcare prices were going through the roof it was becoming obvious to all that there was a looming crisis and something needed to be done. The republicans failure to do anything is also largely responsible for this mess because their inactivity paved the way for people to want to believe in anyone who was willing to promise a solution. They should have done more when they had the chance and maybe this country would never have voting in somebody like president Obama in the first place.

[GeoFisher]

I agree that more accessible healthcare and preventive care is a good thing, but it shouldn't ever be at the expense of others. To not provide adequate insurance so it results in denying sick people the proper doctors care or medicine which is needed in order to keep them alive feels evil to me. This is precisely what so many people had predicted would happen and were promised that it never would.

I do agree though that all those years when Bush was in office and healthcare prices were going through the roof it was becoming obvious to all that there was a looming crisis and something needed to be done. The republicans failure to do anything is also largely responsible for this mess because their inactivity paved the way for people to want to believe in anyone who was willing to promise a solution. They should have done more when they had the chance and maybe this country would never have voting in somebody like president Obama in the first place.

How about a little.......just a little TORT reform. We are sue happy. You could eliminate a significant cost to the delivery by lowering the costs.

Lawsuits cost the industry a ton of money. If there were limits to what you could recoup from a lawsuit, it would make a huge difference.

Malpractice Insurance also drives up costs.

Finally, Fraud and Abuse. Go after the fraud and abuse and put folks in JAIL.

Illegals..........Yet again, Cut them all off......period.

There are 4 republican ideas that are easy and immediate to implement. SIMPLE.

But it is still the republicans and Bush's fault.........

Later,

Geo

[SLP]

I agree with those any plenty of other things that should have been done. I just don't believe anyone can say that the republicans did a good job addressing the health care problems when they had the opportunity and as a result it benefited the democrats who once in office threw the baby out with the bath water.

[GeoFisher]

I agree with those any plenty of other things that should have been done. I just don't believe anyone can say that the republicans did a good job addressing the health care problems when they had the opportunity and as a result it benefited the democrats who once in office threw the baby out with the bath water.

And Clinton should have done something, and Bush 1 before him, and Reagan before him, and Carter and, and and, and.

I agree with the premise that it is BROKEN. And I really don't give two shits who is responsible for breaking it. Obama sure the hell didn't fix it.

How about someone work on fixing it.

Later,

Geo

[SLP]

And Clinton should have done something, and Bush 1 before him, and Reagan before him, and Carter and, and and, and.

I agree with the premise that it is BROKEN. And I really don't give two shits who is responsible for breaking it. Obama sure the hell didn't fix it.

How about someone work on fixing it.

Later,

Geo

Well I wasn't trying to convince you that you should care. My post was directed to Waterdog in response to his OP which drew the comparison of Bush so I addressed it in my answer to him.

We agree that it needs fixing.

[waterdog101]

Well I wasn't trying to convince you that you should care. My post was directed to Waterdog in response to his OP which drew the comparison of Bush so I addressed it in my answer to him.

We agree that it needs fixing.

I wasn't really comparing Obama to Bush, in the link I posted at the top of the page, it had about 4 options, that the Republicans were looking at to replace Obamacare with, and they titled one of them Bushcare. and it offered a tax break in the amount of 15,000.00 for a family plan. thats why I titled the post Obamacare or Bushcare.

ps I to agree it needs fixing, and has for many many years. I don't care who finds the fix, just so it's found.

[GeoFisher]

I wasn't really comparing Obama to Bush, in the link I posted at the top of the page, it had about 4 options, that the Republicans were looking at to replace Obamacare with, and they titled one of them Bushcare. and it offered a tax break in the amount of 15,000.00 for a family plan. thats why I titled the post Obamacare or Bushcare.

ps I to agree it needs fixing, and has for many many years. I don't care who finds the fix, just so it's found.

You are correct..........I had never heard of it, but I actually like it once I read it.

Here are the details of Bush Care:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...l#.Uxkz3z9dUrw

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

I read this story which gives a couple examples of the life threatening consequence's of the Affordable Care Act.

Here are a few excerpts:



Here is a link to the full article


http://nypost.com/2014/03/04/how-oba...laps-the-sick/

If you're sick and have a job............Continue paying your taxes, but Don't EVEN try to get healthcare.

Pay your taxes, crawl into a corner and DIE..........

Now SHUT UP and get your sick ass back to work.........

Obamacare is designed not to work for the average working Jo.

Later,

Geo