Idiots on the left say there is no vote fraud.....

[DJD]

Yeah I read about this. Things that come to mind when I read this stuff...It becomes so clear as to why the Left opposes anything that may reduce voter fraud, its a large part of how they do business. The left sells themselves as the party of the poor and middle class and they talk about giving people money or bennies they deserve and it gets people on their side. Young impressionable minds also jump at the idea of getting something for nothing. When you sell this kind of drivel it becomes even easier to get folks to lie cheat and steal to get their gift horse into office.

I do believe voter fraud happens on the right as well but its not as much of a problem in my mind. All the conservatives I know or hear talking are for voter ID's while all of the people who oppose it are from the left. They even turn this into a racial issue so they can scare anyone who opposes it....go figure.

They sell the conservatives as evil, money hungry and slave drivers who want less gubment support to the poor. They sell conservatives as gun nuts, bible thumpers who are rich and arrogant. They sell conservatives as racist all the time too.

The country is being held hostage by racism which is why the left will always claim that voter ID's are a racist ploy to squash the poor black vote, last I checked white, yellow and brown folks can be poor, right?? As a politician or leader/boss you cannot oppose something if it is from a black person without the risk of being called a racist. The liberals also use women as pawns which is why Hillary will prolly run in the next race. If you oppose her your a bigot. They can oppose women from the right and even try to destroy their families but that's OK....it's all in the name of politics.

[kygorski]

I've voted since 1957, never been asked or paid to vote for anyone I opposed. Have either of you guys been asked ? Do you know anyone personally that did this. If so did you report it? The last figures I saw was far less than 1%. You guys swallow the conservative BS by the shovel full. Do dead people vote? YES Because not enough money is spent to clear the voter logs[that's tax money spent]. It happened, not only in urban areas but in rural areas also. I'm done voting. I don't make enough or contribute enough for my vote to count anymore. I don't have a lobby or special interest group to look out for me, so I have nothing to gain or lose, except the time to stand in line at a polling place. I kept squaking about oligarcy. its here. The supreme court has sold MY counry down the river. I won't take part in it.

[kygorski]

Voting, we ALL assume that majority rules. not in government. Jefferson for saw that at the beginning. The " unwashed" should never be given control because of numbers. So we had half citizens and quarter citizens and whole, this was based on wealth. Its hard to argue that point. hy should a wealthy refined gentlemen dirty his hands fighting for independence, we'll hire or induct someone to do it. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since, and a lot of " common blood" has also flowed. We were told its the American way, one man, one vote. hen the supreme court started to remedy the bill of rights. Now a billionaire can "vote" with his wallet, for who knows how many times. So can I but my measly 10 bucks don't go very far.So we are now a plutocracy,its about time they admitted it.

[Tim_T]

Voting, we ALL assume that majority rules. not in government. Jefferson for saw that at the beginning. The " unwashed" should never be given control because of numbers. So we had half citizens and quarter citizens and whole, this was based on wealth. Its hard to argue that point. hy should a wealthy refined gentlemen dirty his hands fighting for independence, we'll hire or induct someone to do it. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since, and a lot of " common blood" has also flowed. We were told its the American way, one man, one vote. hen the supreme court started to remedy the bill of rights. Now a billionaire can "vote" with his wallet, for who knows how many times. So can I but my measly 10 bucks don't go very far.So we are now a plutocracy,its about time they admitted it.

Sad to say, but I feel you are correct. This country is not governed by the people, for the people, it is governed by campaign donations, big business and a flawed, two-party system.

[kygorski]

You asked if I checked facts. I usually do before I post. he brennan school of new York,law school did some for me. I liked their summation. I went to another site. and it was contrary to the first. I imagine a winning candidate never challenged the voter rolls. REMEMBER I SAID WINNING CANDIDATE.11 counties in Indiana had more registered voters than citizens, how does that happen? One of the big talking points of the right is smaller government.And less restrictions of people. What people? The only restrictions they really want effect the less fortunate. OFF shore corporations who avoid a lot of taxes, will now be able funnel money into PACs in this country to get favorable decisions. According to the USSC, money and free speech are about the same, I've probably over spent my share on this subject.

[GeoFisher]

.11 counties in Indiana had more registered voters than citizens, how does that happen? .

That should tell you something........those were all republican heavy counties, yet a DEMOCRAT won....

Not only that, but Indiana has always been a Republican state, yet we elected Barack Obama both times.......And the last election is where you get the statistic about 11 counties having more voters on the roles, than people.....

AND there have been multiple convictions in Indiana of DEMOCRAT party leaders.........

Yet you and most liberals continue the mantra that there is no voter fraud.

There is no FRAUD when you guys elect a communist like Obama.......

At least when Bush supposedly "stole" the election, we investigated that pretty dang thoroughly.........With Obama and the Obamunists, it has all be swept under the rug.......

[DJD]

That should tell you something........those were all republican heavy counties, yet a DEMOCRAT won....

Not only that, but Indiana has always been a Republican state, yet we elected Barack Obama both times.......And the last election is where you get the statistic about 11 counties having more voters on the roles, than people.....

AND there have been multiple convictions in Indiana of DEMOCRAT party leaders.........

Yet you and most liberals continue the mantra that there is no voter fraud.

There is no FRAUD when you guys elect a communist like Obama.......

At least when Bush supposedly "stole" the election, we investigated that pretty dang thoroughly.........With Obama and the Obamunists, it has all be swept under the rug.......

I wasn't going to reply anymore on this because I said my piece and many on the left refuse to accept any documented wrong doing or it doesn't matter and it's just Conservative drivel. I will not stop voting or caring about the way things should be done. I mean if seeing what has happened to the country under obama isn't enough to make you want things headed in the right direction whats it gonna take??

I would like to mention I am not going to explain what has happened under obama because we all know...

[fishraker]

That should tell you something........those were all republican heavy counties, yet a DEMOCRAT won....

Not only that, but Indiana has always been a Republican state, yet we elected Barack Obama both times.......And the last election is where you get the statistic about 11 counties having more voters on the roles, than people.....

AND there have been multiple convictions in Indiana of DEMOCRAT party leaders.........

Yet you and most liberals continue the mantra that there is no voter fraud.

There is no FRAUD when you guys elect a communist like Obama.......

At least when Bush supposedly "stole" the election, we investigated that pretty dang thoroughly.........With Obama and the Obamunists, it has all be swept under the rug.......

If I remember correctly, Roomey won Indiana with about 54% of the vote in 2012.

[GeoFisher]

If I remember correctly, Roomey won Indiana with about 54% of the vote in 2012.

You are right......it was only 2008 and we turned that in 2010.

My POINT was that Indiana, which is historically republican somehow managed to "slip" to Obama. and that somehow involved quite a bit of voter fraud.

* Voter Fraud put OBAMA on the ballot, which he should have never been on:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...er_states.html

* Election fraud in northern Indiana

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-in-corruption

* People in JAIL for fraud in Indiana

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...obama-clinton/

* AND of course how the left feels about this. This is from the annenberg foundation:

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

[DJD]

I've voted since 1957, never been asked or paid to vote for anyone I opposed. Have either of you guys been asked ? Do you know anyone personally that did this. If so did you report it? The last figures I saw was far less than 1%. You guys swallow the conservative BS by the shovel full. Do dead people vote? YES Because not enough money is spent to clear the voter logs[that's tax money spent]. It happened, not only in urban areas but in rural areas also. I'm done voting. I don't make enough or contribute enough for my vote to count anymore. I don't have a lobby or special interest group to look out for me, so I have nothing to gain or lose, except the time to stand in line at a polling place. I kept squaking about oligarcy. its here. The supreme court has sold MY counry down the river. I won't take part in it.

What facts? Were we supposed to ask you? I have seen, read and heard of this now for years. People are being convicted of voter fraud and they find cases of it in a lot of states. Less than 1% says who?? I didn't claim facts but you must have researched it so shed some light if you will.

I will continue to vote and in my opinion if you don't vote your opinion on who wins or loses doesn't mean a lot to me. If you gripe about how things are done and you didn't vote then I say you have no right to gripe because you didn't participate.

i get the idea of older gents getting fed up with the system and I expect I will be the same way if I live to be your age but for now I will use my right to cast a vote on which candidate or party I believe in. At this point I'm not a fan of either party and can see my thoughts and opinions aligning more with another party.