I saw this but didn't look at it yet

[Moveon]

But I thought of this off topic discussion board and the people that deny that Global Warming is real and that it's created by man's burning of Fossil Fuels.

Like I said I've not reviewed it so I'm just posting a link to it. But I did see where a guy with a lot of money is going to start delivering some information to the people to help counter the false information being spread by the Fossil Fuel Money Folks. I personally think that's a good idea. Getting the truth out there is always a good idea.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/22/politi...rticle_sidebar

[DJD]

But I thought of this off topic discussion board and the people that deny that Global Warming is real and that it's created by man's burning of Fossil Fuels.

Like I said I've not reviewed it so I'm just posting a link to it. But I did see where a guy with a lot of money is going to start delivering some information to the people to help counter the false information being spread by the Fossil Fuel Money Folks. I personally think that's a good idea. Getting the truth out there is always a good idea.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/22/politi...rticle_sidebar

Well you would think its a good idea since its just another smear campaign against anyone who doesn't agree with all the gloom and doom. They are targeting Republicans and like the article states this is being done to get Democrats in/keep the Senate seats.

This is the problem for me all along....it's politics and nothing more. Look at Bill on the video, he is a pompous ass who is ready to attack and even spouts some so called facts but the other guy disputes it and Bill gets ready to pounce again even though he was proven wrong!!! Again and again the democrats who want to promote this out of proportion movement and try every angle to get the funds and tie these funds to their candidates for getting more power.

Shorter and Warmer Winters was on the crawl at the beginning of the video and I wonder what place they were talking about? Think about this...global warming radicals include tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, wet winters, cold winters, blizzards, crime, racism, economic problems, movement of bugs, sex issues and the many other problems I can't think of right now being caused by Global Warming. Ohhh and if the Democrats don't keep the Senate then Global Warming will be blamed for that as well.

"This is the year, in our view, that we are able to demonstrate that you can use climate, you can do it well, you can do it in a smart way, to win political races," said Chris Lehane, the longtime Democratic consultant advising Steyer.

Doesn't this statement from the article say it all?

[Moveon]

Even though I didn't watch it yet I know who the real radicals are. The Koch Brothers with all the payments to get some rogue person to claim to be a scientist and then they go on the media and tell us that the earth is actually warming.

You and the other non believers have yet to say any thing to get a neutral 3rd party to not believe in the Major National Science Organizations LIKE NOAA when they tell us that Global Warming is real!

All you do is puff up and shout the Fixed news Party line which is totally untrue and vastly unbelievable.

All the major networks beside Fixed News tell us that Global Warming is real. Even the US Navy Brass thinks this yet you can't say anything to discount that our own US Navy thinks that Global Warming is real. The Navy has the job of protecting this country from Russian Nuclear Submarines and their nuclear missiles that can now get closer to our shorelines due to the ice melting at and around the North West Passage due to global warming.

Well you would think its a good idea since its just another smear campaign against anyone who doesn't agree with all the gloom and doom. They are targeting Republicans and like the article states this is being done to get Democrats in/keep the Senate seats.

This is the problem for me all along....it's politics and nothing more. Look at Bill on the video, he is a pompous ass who is ready to attack and even spouts some so called facts but the other guy disputes it and Bill gets ready to pounce again even though he was proven wrong!!! Again and again the democrats who want to promote this out of proportion movement and try every angle to get the funds and tie these funds to their candidates for getting more power.

Shorter and Warmer Winters was on the crawl at the beginning of the video and I wonder what place they were talking about? Think about this...global warming radicals include tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, wet winters, cold winters, blizzards, crime, racism, economic problems, movement of bugs, sex issues and the many other problems I can't think of right now being caused by Global Warming. Ohhh and if the Democrats don't keep the Senate then Global Warming will be blamed for that as well.



Doesn't this statement from the article say it all?

[DJD]

Even though I didn't watch it yet I know who the real radicals are. The Koch Brothers with all the payments to get some rogue person to claim to be a scientist and then they go on the media and tell us that the earth is actually warming.

You and the other non believers have yet to say any thing to get a neutral 3rd party to not believe in the Major National Science Organizations LIKE NOAA when they tell us that Global Warming is real!

All you do is puff up and shout the Fixed news Party line which is totally untrue and vastly unbelievable.

All the major networks beside Fixed News tell us that Global Warming is real. Even the US Navy Brass thinks this yet you can't say anything to discount that our own US Navy thinks that Global Warming is real. The Navy has the job of protecting this country from Russian Nuclear Submarines and their nuclear missiles that can now get closer to our shorelines due to the ice melting at and around the North West Passage due to global warming.

Your a lost puppy. A neutral third party? What? The people of the United States of America don't believe you!!! Did you not watch the video that YOU posted?? Did you miss the part where they showed data on how the radical ads and talk from your scientists isn't working.. You did see that right??

I'll help you out for free...Radicals like Al Gore, your spearhead face of this global warming doom, remember him? His prediction that the polar ice cap will be gone by 2013 was uhhh wrong. Here are a few more you can read about if you would take the time.
http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/predictions/

The link you posted was from CNN and the point to the whole story (that you didn't read) was that the alarmist scare tactics are not working.....didn't you get that? What are you talking about? Fox news?? It was CNN and of all the experts on the panel it had Van Jones another trustworthy mouth that will spout your alarmist mantra. Remember him? he was forced to resign from his Obama appointed position for remarks he made?? Another trusting face and character on CNN...and that's who we are supposed to believe? Geez man your team of experts are crooks and liars.

I have said it time and time again....I do not watch news anymore. I read about it or listed to it on NPR while travelling. I have not watched Fox news in who knows how long.....So again because someone doesn't swallow the hook, line and sinker like you they are a Fox News junkie? Your about as believable as Al Gore. Maybe if you send him some money he will send you a signed copy of his latest book? Maybe a signed picture of him holding the Nobel Peace Prize while leaning against the internet trophy award he received???

[GeoFisher]

Your a lost puppy. A neutral third party? What? The people of the United States of America don't believe you!!! Did you not watch the video that YOU posted?? Did you miss the part where they showed data on how the radical ads and talk from your scientists isn't working.. You did see that right??

I'll help you out for free...Radicals like Al Gore, your spearhead face of this global warming doom, remember him? His prediction that the polar ice cap will be gone by 2013 was uhhh wrong. Here are a few more you can read about if you would take the time.
http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/predictions/

The link you posted was from CNN and the point to the whole story (that you didn't read) was that the alarmist scare tactics are not working.....didn't you get that? What are you talking about? Fox news?? It was CNN and of all the experts on the panel it had Van Jones another trustworthy mouth that will spout your alarmist mantra. Remember him? he was forced to resign from his Obama appointed position for remarks he made?? Another trusting face and character on CNN...and that's who we are supposed to believe? Geez man your team of experts are crooks and liars.

I have said it time and time again....I do not watch news anymore. I read about it or listed to it on NPR while travelling. I have not watched Fox news in who knows how long.....So again because someone doesn't swallow the hook, line and sinker like you they are a Fox News junkie? Your about as believable as Al Gore. Maybe if you send him some money he will send you a signed copy of his latest book? Maybe a signed picture of him holding the Nobel Peace Prize while leaning against the internet trophy award he received???

It is a lost cause DJD.........Lost Cause.

Later,

Geo

[kygorski]

Whether the world is 6000 years old, or 2 million years old, its ALL we have. And when and if it ends for us, who, or what is going to care. Whether I came from the sea, or out of a tree, who's going to care when I'm or we are gone? Think fossil fuels don't or didn't cause major change? Panama canal, grand coulee dam, aswan dam suez canal. Wont go into super highways, airplanes steam ships. All these wonders are man made.They solved many problems. But remember cause and effect? But there are things that have followed man from the beginning. War, hunger, pestilence, and over population. Those are cold hard cures. Those are constants we can't do anything about. I'm just an old guy,with nothing to do, except look at the follys of the world.

[Moveon]

I'm no puppy. I'm older that you and been around longer than you. If anyone is a puppy it the people that drink the Fix news propaganda like you! This is not my first rodeo and I've been around the block a few times. You on the other hand sound like you just fell off the back of the turnip truck.

You are wrong on the Global Warming issue. Plain and simple. If you think you and the majority of the people know more about the Earth's climate then you are a fool!

I'll continue to listen to the well educated scientist that were the ones that got John Glenn and the other men to the moon and back. \

I've yet to see some HS drop-out do something as great as put men on the moon and bring them back. That will only happen when Pigs sprout wings and fly!

I'll listen to the Elite College Educated Scientists and not the uneducated masses that you speak of. Most people don't know what's going on around them and get all their news and education on the radio and TV.

Speaking or Radio and TV. The link I posted to the CNN show Crossfire was about all the negative propaganda that's been put out on Radio and TV by the Right Wing Extremist in the Fossil Fuel Industry. People like the Koch Brothers have spent millions of dollars on false TV and Radio propaganda and false stories in the news papers. They took the initiative and got their side of the story out in a massive way. They have billions of dollars to play with and will spend millions to ensure that we stay on Fossil Fuel Based Energy Economy for the next 100 years or more (for as long as possible) so that they can continue to make more money and keep their billions. Because once the people see that alternative energy can full fill a lot of our energy needs we won't need to spend billions of dollars on polluting fossil fuels and the Koch Brother's profits will shrink. They are not about to let that happen.

We could easily start to fund alternative fuels and get off coal and oil as much as possible. We can't get rid of fossil fuels entirely just yet but we can start to limit their use by switching to some alternative energy resource today and not wait until we run out of coal or oil.

I personally think that Fuel Cell Technology is the future. And Al Gore has nothing to do with Fuel Cells.

[GeoFisher]

I've yet to see some HS drop-out do something as great as put men on the moon and bring them back. That will only happen when Pigs sprout wings and fly!

I'll listen to the Elite College Educated Scientists and not the uneducated masses that you speak of. Most people don't know what's going on around them and get all their news and education on the radio and TV.

That has to be one of the single most ARROGANT statements I've seen from you on this board.

UNREAL......simply UNREAL.

The elitists like yourself use this argument all the time. You're not smart enough to understand what you're being told.

Look at some of the current narratives coming from the left my friend.

Later,

Geo

[DJD]

I'm no puppy. I'm older that you and been around longer than you. If anyone is a puppy it the people that drink the Fix news propaganda like you! This is not my first rodeo and I've been around the block a few times. You on the other hand sound like you just fell off the back of the turnip truck.

You are wrong on the Global Warming issue. Plain and simple. If you think you and the majority of the people know more about the Earth's climate then you are a fool!

I'll continue to listen to the well educated scientist that were the ones that got John Glenn and the other men to the moon and back. \

I've yet to see some HS drop-out do something as great as put men on the moon and bring them back. That will only happen when Pigs sprout wings and fly!

I'll listen to the Elite College Educated Scientists and not the uneducated masses that you speak of. Most people don't know what's going on around them and get all their news and education on the radio and TV.

Speaking or Radio and TV. The link I posted to the CNN show Crossfire was about all the negative propaganda that's been put out on Radio and TV by the Right Wing Extremist in the Fossil Fuel Industry. People like the Koch Brothers have spent millions of dollars on false TV and Radio propaganda and false stories in the news papers. They took the initiative and got their side of the story out in a massive way. They have billions of dollars to play with and will spend millions to ensure that we stay on Fossil Fuel Based Energy Economy for the next 100 years or more (for as long as possible) so that they can continue to make more money and keep their billions. Because once the people see that alternative energy can full fill a lot of our energy needs we won't need to spend billions of dollars on polluting fossil fuels and the Koch Brother's profits will shrink. They are not about to let that happen.

We could easily start to fund alternative fuels and get off coal and oil as much as possible. We can't get rid of fossil fuels entirely just yet but we can start to limit their use by switching to some alternative energy resource today and not wait until we run out of coal or oil.

I personally think that Fuel Cell Technology is the future. And Al Gore has nothing to do with Fuel Cells.

Hahahahaha ok old man...I'll just agree to disagree. We will never see eye to eye on this but I will say this again...until you and all the other "believers" set an example of living a life style with restrictions on your energy and fuel usage nothing will be accepted as truth by the majority. You will have people who say they believe but they don't practice what they preach....they drive full sized SUV's, fly in commercial Jets, own plasma TV's and enjoy all the comforts of living like computers and scores of electronic gadgets. If that happens (it won't) people will start to believe but only if we are seeing undisputed truths to the claims of Global Warming. Blaming weather cycles and any natural occurrence on Global Warming isn't going to convince people to change.

Remember how a large majority of Americans never really had thoughts of terrorism before 911? People like me who spent time in the Military overseas lived dealing with terrorists. We trained on dealing with them and had drills on how to react to attacks. We were used to seeing Military or Police with Machine Guns walking around in Airports because that's the reality of living overseas. Once 911 happened civilians understood that terrorists were real and started to support the money spent on anti-terrorist causes. We now fly with the TSA groping and searching us, airports take longer to get through and security in general has been ramped up. It took an event that we could hear, feel and see for ourselves to change the mindset and sadly many don't believe or could car less any more about anti-terrorist moves because Americans in General have short memories.

My point is until Americans can see, feel or hear something more than political figures, talk show hosts, "scientists" who we don't know very little will change.....or it will take politicians shoving legislation on us and restricting our access to fossil fuels and taxing us to the point of submission before it becomes accepted and the thought of that happening scares me.

[Tom523]

I'm no puppy. I'm older that you and been around longer than you. If anyone is a puppy it the people that drink the Fix news propaganda like you! This is not my first rodeo and I've been around the block a few times. You on the other hand sound like you just fell off the back of the turnip truck.

You are wrong on the Global Warming issue. Plain and simple. If you think you and the majority of the people know more about the Earth's climate then you are a fool!

I'll continue to listen to the well educated scientist that were the ones that got John Glenn and the other men to the moon and back. \

I've yet to see some HS drop-out do something as great as put men on the moon and bring them back. That will only happen when Pigs sprout wings and fly!

I'll listen to the Elite College Educated Scientists and not the uneducated masses that you speak of. Most people don't know what's going on around them and get all their news and education on the radio and TV.

Speaking or Radio and TV. The link I posted to the CNN show Crossfire was about all the negative propaganda that's been put out on Radio and TV by the Right Wing Extremist in the Fossil Fuel Industry. People like the Koch Brothers have spent millions of dollars on false TV and Radio propaganda and false stories in the news papers. They took the initiative and got their side of the story out in a massive way. They have billions of dollars to play with and will spend millions to ensure that we stay on Fossil Fuel Based Energy Economy for the next 100 years or more (for as long as possible) so that they can continue to make more money and keep their billions. Because once the people see that alternative energy can full fill a lot of our energy needs we won't need to spend billions of dollars on polluting fossil fuels and the Koch Brother's profits will shrink. They are not about to let that happen.

We could easily start to fund alternative fuels and get off coal and oil as much as possible. We can't get rid of fossil fuels entirely just yet but we can start to limit their use by switching to some alternative energy resource today and not wait until we run out of coal or oil.

I personally think that Fuel Cell Technology is the future. And Al Gore has nothing to do with Fuel Cells.

Actually a majority of geoscientists do not agree that humans are creating a global warming crisis. So if you are listening to the elite educated scientists the you wouldn't believe it either. It appears that you are believing the ramblings of the political left instead. I can see by your post that you mention the Koch brothers and CNN. This is the left's way of demonizing the Koch brothers which are conservative. Keep the politics out of it and look at the science to find the real truth. Fuel cell technology and alternate forms of energy should be developed. What do you think of this idea. Keep our economy strong by using fossil fuels while at the same time developing alternate forms of energy. When the technology cycle ends for fossil fuels alternate forms of energy will be developed to maturity and be more cost efficient for industry which would make it a good business decision to switch to them instead of oil and coal. Right now we are closing coal fired plants and China is building them. Their economy is boomong and ours is collapsing under the pressure of over regulation.

[Moveon]

The Koch Brothers need to be demonized for what they do not only for who they are. They are bad for America. They are selfish and greedy and don't have all American's best interest in mind. We don't need anyone like them running this country in any shape or form. They are buying the election process with millions of dollars and that's not the way a Democracy should operate. Voters not money should rule in a democracy.

It's people like the Koch brothers that are holding back new forms of energy like Fuel Cells. Have you not read anything that I said about Fuel Cell Technology in these forums. You are saying exactly what I have been saying for years now.

We need to start developing all other forms of energy resources before we run out of fossil fuels.

And anyone who thinks that we can burn the amounts of fossil fuels we have been burning and not have an adverse effect on our planet is Crazy. IMHO

We need regulations. Without it our planet and our heath would suffer even more than it does now. I guess you must be too young to remember what the USA looked like before the USEPA was formed. There was a reason we formed the USEPA. And it was started under President Nixon who was a REPUBLICAN for god sakes. Even Nixon new we had to have regulations to protect our water and air resources from the greedy corporations that only care about their bottom line.

We would have Corporations and City's dumping human waste right into the River and Creeks without any treatment and that's not acceptable to me or the vast majority of Americans.

Actually a majority of geoscientists (sic) do not agree that humans are creating a global warming crisis. So if you are listening to the elite educated scientists the you wouldn't believe it either. It appears that you are believing the ramblings of the political left instead. I can see by your post that you mention the Koch brothers and CNN. This is the left's way of demonizing the Koch brothers which are conservative. Keep the politics out of it and look at the science to find the real truth. Fuel cell technology and alternate forms of energy should be developed. What do you think of this idea. Keep our economy strong by using fossil fuels while at the same time developing alternate forms of energy. When the technology cycle ends for fossil fuels alternate forms of energy will be developed to maturity and be more cost efficient for industry which would make it a good business decision to switch to them instead of oil and coal. Right now we are closing coal fired plants and China is building them. Their economy is boomong and ours is collapsing under the pressure of over regulation.

[DJD]

The Koch Brothers need to be demonized for what they do not only for who they are. They are bad for America. They are selfish and greedy and don't have all American's best interest in mind. We don't need anyone like them running this country in any shape or form. They are buying the election process with millions of dollars and that's not the way a Democracy should operate. Voters not money should rule in a democracy.

It's people like the Koch brothers that are holding back new forms of energy like Fuel Cells. Have you not read anything that I said about Fuel Cell Technology in these forums. You are saying exactly what I have been saying for years now.

We need to start developing all other forms of energy resources before we run out of fossil fuels.

And anyone who thinks that we can burn the amounts of fossil fuels we have been burning and not have an adverse effect on our planet is Crazy. IMHO

We need regulations. Without it our planet and our heath would suffer even more than it does now. I guess you must be too young to remember what the USA looked like before the USEPA was formed. There was a reason we formed the USEPA. And it was started under President Nixon who was a REPUBLICAN for god sakes. Even Nixon new we had to have regulations to protect our water and air resources from the greedy corporations that only care about their bottom line.

We would have Corporations and City's dumping human waste right into the River and Creeks without any treatment and that's not acceptable to me or the vast majority of Americans.

Dude you are seriously twisted in your hate for republicans. Read what you typed!! Are you actually stating that only republicans have money??? What??? So tell us which "poor" liberal is best for the country?? Which one?? Obama? Pelosi? Clinton? Sorry...All millionaires.
How about some of the huge corporations and unions that back both parties?? The more you state your opinion the more I see how hate filled you really are. No one is right but you, Obama and the liberals....My gosh man......really???? You think the Koch brothers are selfish and greedy which implies that no liberals are.....Hahahahaha I say again your a lost puppy.