Florida bass

[sweetwater]

According to what I've been able to find the name Florida bass is a regional nickname for the largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides floridanus) commonly found in Kentucky and many Texas lakes.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/species/lmb/

http://www.kentuckylake.com/fishing/...l#.VAMr56PD99A


Perhaps your referring to the peacock bass?

I was referring to the information in these two articles which quotes the name Florida largemouth bass along with the scientific names that are listed along with the regional nicknames I referred too. If someone would tell me which article is incorrect I'll be glad to complain the publisher. I would be interested in seeing the scientific name of the Florida bass that the author of this thread is referring to since it appears the term Florida bass seems to be a generic term.

According to what I read the northern strain of largemouth is Micropterus salmoides salmoides.

I am aware that the peacock bass is non-indigenous to Florida.

[drichard466]

I was referring to the information in these two articles which quotes the name Florida largemouth bass along with the scientific names that are listed along with the regional nicknames I referred too. If someone would tell me which article is incorrect I'll be glad to complain the publisher. I would be interested in seeing the scientific name of the Florida bass that the author of this thread is referring to since it appears the term Florida bass seems to be a generic term.

According to what I read the northern strain of largemouth is Micropterus salmoides salmoides.

I am aware that the peacock bass is non-indigenous to Florida.

The term Florida bass is not a generic term, it is a strain of largemouth bass having its own scientific name and if you have found that it is a "regional nickname" for the northern strain then I would guess that the region being referred to in this case would be the region(s) of Florida, Georgia, Arkansas, Texas, and any other region in which the Florida Bass has been introduced.

The two recognized subspecies of the largemouth bass are the northern largemouth (Micropterus salmoides salmoides) and the Florida largemouth (Micropterus salmoides floridanus).

[LureProf]

I saw this report in BASS TIMES today, and I was completely and utterly dumbfounded. It is as though the Division of Fisheries decided to place these fingerlings in the most illogical water they could find in Kentucky. There is cutting edge fisheries management, and then there is whatever they do in Kentucky. What a shame.

I would have naturally assumed they would have stocked FL Bass in one of our most productive largemouth fisheries i.e. Kentucky/Barkley...

[R19]

It is as though the Division of Fisheries decided to place these fingerlings in the most illogical water they could find in Kentucky.

So where did they stock them?

[cnorth]

I was hoping to get some opinions on where the serious bassfisher person would stock these. In all the kdfwl wisdom,
they stocked some in smallmouth bass dominated ELKHORN CREEK the rest in Salt River. They spent money back
some years, and created a trophy lake (Cedar Creek), and then put fish that grow to trophy size in a creek.
If the Florida species bass was in the state of Kentucky, I believe our records would show more than 3 bass weighing 13 lbs or more in the last 50 years.

[jcb]

Here is the article I found.

http://migration.kentucky.gov/newsro...r/07012014.htm

The article doesn't say that the bass stocked were anything but regular largemouth. I would be highly surprised if what was stocked are the same strain of bass you catch on Okeechobee.

[hairball]

I was hoping to get some opinions on where the serious bassfisher person would stock these. In all the kdfwl wisdom,
they stocked some in smallmouth bass dominated ELKHORN CREEK the rest in Salt River. They spent money back
some years, and created a trophy lake (Cedar Creek), and then put fish that grow to trophy size in a creek.
If the Florida species bass was in the state of Kentucky, I believe our records would show more than 3 bass weighing 13 lbs or more in the last 50 years.

You are looking for answers to questions that are probably outside the scope of understanding of most folks on this discussion board. I know there are plenty of serious and dedicated bass fishermen (and women) on this board, myself included, but how many of us have a working knowledge of fisheries biology? Your questions would be better answered by a professional fisheries biologist. I have contacted them several times over the years and have found them to be approachable, knowledgeable, and willing to answer any question I could throw at them. You can contact them here: https://app.fw.ky.gov/WebContact/default.aspx

[restornator]

You are looking for answers to questions that are probably outside the scope of understanding of most folks on this discussion board. I know there are plenty of serious and dedicated bass fishermen (and women) on this board, myself included, but how many of us have a working knowledge of fisheries biology? Your questions would be better answered by a professional fisheries biologist. I have contacted them several times over the years and have found them to be approachable, knowledgeable, and willing to answer any question I could throw at them. You can contact them here: https://app.fw.ky.gov/WebContact/default.aspx

The Florida strain has shorter lifespan, higher growth rates, and more importantly, the trophy fish get lock jaw and are very difficult to catch when not on beds. The Mss strain lives longer, grows slower, but is more aggressive. PhD. Davies gave a few lectures while i was in school, and he was the first to study aggressiveness in the largemouth subspecies. In my opinion, since I have degree on this subject, stocking Florida bass in Kentucky is a waste of time because there is the hybrid tiger bass (from Southeastern Pond Management) which grows faster and is more aggressive than both subspecies. The lake i fished at in Auburn had 4 year old tiger bass already weighing 10+ pounds, granted it was in a heavily managed and unstable system. All that being said, there's a reason why their are 2 strains, they have advantages in different climates, and the Florida strain is at a disadvantage in Ky, or it'd already be here.

[kstonich]

( "the trophy fish get lock jaw and are very difficult to catch when not on beds".)

Just another observation,being a recent transplant from California, I would disagree with this observation,the issue why fisherman dont't catch as many of the trophy size fize is as these fish reach the 10 lb + size their diet changes. They become more open water fish eating larger prey. So the Fisherman throwing standard fishing tackle will rarely hook into one of these fish.
Most of mine have come on 10-12" Rainbow trout swim baits, 12" worms or 5-6" craws, all have been caught at night.
Several I had caught while float tubing,that was a blast.
Ive have caught numerous fish over 10lbs as have many of my friends and none of us fish beds.

[sweetwater]

You are looking for answers to questions that are probably outside the scope of understanding of most folks on this discussion board. I know there are plenty of serious and dedicated bass fishermen (and women) on this board, myself included, but how many of us have a working knowledge of fisheries biology? Your questions would be better answered by a professional fisheries biologist. I have contacted them several times over the years and have found them to be approachable, knowledgeable, and willing to answer any question I could throw at them. You can contact them here: https://app.fw.ky.gov/WebContact/default.aspx

Thanks for the link. I've emailed the following question to them; Are the largemouth bass that are in most of Kentucky’s lakes and reservoirs the same species of bass or a hybrid of the species of largemouth bass that is commonly referred to as a Florida bass? I will post their response in this thread when I receive it.

I did run across this bit of information that I consider ironic since we have the issues with Asian carp here. "The largemouth bass has been introduced into many other countries due to its popularity as a sport fish. It causes the decline, displacement or extinctions of species in its new habitat, for example in Namibia."

[MagikSmallie]

I was hoping to get some opinions on where the serious bassfisher person would stock these. In all the kdfwl wisdom,
they stocked some in smallmouth bass dominated ELKHORN CREEK the rest in Salt River. They spent money back
some years, and created a trophy lake (Cedar Creek), and then put fish that grow to trophy size in a creek.
If the Florida species bass was in the state of Kentucky, I believe our records would show more than 3 bass weighing 13 lbs or more in the last 50 years.

The fish that were stocked into Elkhorn, were placed into the North Fork pools, which is not dominated by the SM like the south fork and the main stem. Also, the largemouth that were stocked were NOT Florida strain.

[sweetwater]

The fish that were stocked into Elkhorn, were placed into the North Fork pools, which is not dominated by the SM like the south fork and the main stem. Also, the largemouth that were stocked were NOT Florida strain.

The biologist for KDFR responded back to my inquiry. (actually my hubby emailed the question) The biologist said that all of the largemouth bass here in Kentucky is the northern strain and that Kentucky is too far north for the Florida strain to survive here. Hybrids was not mentioned. That being said it's obvious that MagikSmallie is correct. In my opinion, it's apparent that there is a lot of misinformation and misconceptions out there regarding the Florida strain and I along with several others have fallen victim to believing what has been published on the subject even if it's from what could be considered a reliable source.


Now I'm wondering what the southern limit of the northern strain is. Do we have an Ichthyologist out there?