Michael Brown's Step Father investigated

[DJD]

Has anybody noticed in every case here the cops were in the process of doing their job.... It looks like with the exception of the kid with the toy guy (and am wondering how the cops were supposed to know it was a toy gun) the officers were dealing with people who did not comply with request, just how do we want our laws enforced, if the fella that happens to be breaking them is black just let them be for fear of being scrutinized for the next 5 months to see if the decision you made in 2 seconds might have been wrong, if a cop approaches you, don't be a horse's a$$ and you will probably be ok...

Pretty much agree with you. IMO...I really think the problem is we have generations of black people raised with not following basic laws and even making a living at doing this. Do others do that? Yep but black people have been the "thugs" portrayed in Rap videos, movies and comedians use it as well. Kids want to be that drug lord rolling in a nice car and having millions of dollars. Or they want to be the tough guy on the video that beats and kills to get what he wants. Heck now we have you-tube and you can watch black kids knocking white people out with sucker punches. All this stuff can shape a youngster and add a non existent father or a loser/thug family an you have another generation of losers.
Like I said I know other races do this but not to the extent of blacks. That race has major identity issues!

[Tim_T]

I would NOT have indicted in the case in New York. It looks like an overstep, but you now what. THE GUY WAS BREAKING THE LAW.......

Later,

Geo

I don't see how you could do anything but indict this officer.

"The cause of Garner’s death was “compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,” the medical examiner’s office has said. The New York City Police Department prohibits chokeholds. The death was ruled a homicide."

This is a completely different case than what happened in Ferguson. There is video evidence of the chokehold being applied (against department policy) and the coroner's office report said that was the main cause of the death. IMO there has to be some type of charge.

[Moveon]

I don't see how you could do anything but indict this officer.

"The cause of Garner’s death was “compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,” the medical examiner’s office has said. The New York City Police Department prohibits chokeholds. The death was ruled a homicide."

This is a completely different case than what happened in Ferguson. There is video evidence of the chokehold being applied (against department policy) and the coroner's office report said that was the main cause of the death. IMO there has to be some type of charge.

I really didn't know much about this until yesterday when it was on TV all day long. So I watched the video of the police trying to arrest this man. I saw one officer get behind the man and grab him around the neck and head and take him down to the ground. I timed the choke hold and think it lasted for about 8 seconds before the officer released his hold around the neck and then press the suspects head down onto the concrete.

The guy was suppose to be illegally selling cigarettes on the streets or something. So they were going to cuff him. Now it's standard Procedure to take someone down to the ground if they resist arrest. But they did this pretty quick IMHO. The guy was not really fighting. He didn't try to hit the officers as all he did was say leave me alone and backup.

But the guy was morbidly obese and that alone can lead to a death if you are laying down the wrong way. He probably had a bad heart too. When one gets that big the heart has to work extra hard to pump blood. I'd be willing to guess that he has CAD too. As big as he was and him being black. Blacks are more subject to CAD and heart disease if they are big like him. It might have something to do with the fact that they live in a world with more white and that they live under more stress as a result of their environment.

I really do wonder if the police actually were trying to kill this man. He was just so big that they were not sure how else to cuff him without using lots of force. How do you get a man whos that tall and weights 350 lbs down on the ground in order to put his hands behind his back to put the cuffs on without using force if he is resisting the police?

Here is the kicker though. Why did they even have to arrest him? He was just trying to sell some cigarette to make some money. That's a pretty minor offence IMHO. Now once he resisted arrest the police had the right and duty to subdue him. If he has been in shape and had not be morbidly obese I'd bet that he would still be alive now. If they had not tried to arrest him he would be alive too. But I'd bet that eventually if he didn't lose the weight that he would be suffering from heart disease.

He said that he could not breath. But he was talking so he could breath. If he could not really breath he would not be able to talk that much. I think that the guy died of stress. His heart just gave out. The films that I saw clearly show the paramedic checking for a pulse on his neck. Carotid Artery is there and that artery is easy to use to check for a pulse. He evidently still have a pulse or she would have started CPR. And I heard that they said he was still breathing. As a former EMT I've had to assess patients in the field many times and if they have an open airway, are breathing and have a pulse you don't have to start CPR. You just package them up using care to not do any damage and take them to the ER for further evaluation by the Doctors. I didn't see what the medics did or did not do in the ambulance as there was no video shown of them in the ambulance. But I did hear that he died on the way to the hospital.

We just have too many people in this world not and conflict is a result of too many people living in too close proximity. This is why there is more crime in the crowded city than out in the rural areas. People who live out in the rural areas are less crowded and suffer from much less stress. They probably also will live longer. They have less pollution and less noise. When I went to Chicago and stayed in the Palmer House back in 1977 I remember hearing sirens almost all the time. There was always a police car, ambulance or fire truck blowing their sirens day and night in that city's downtown area. Of course when you are up 8 stories in the air you can see pretty far out into the city and you hear a lot more from up there than you would down at street level. But the point is that the city was much more stressful and noisy that what I was used to. I lived out in the quiet county where the only noise that I heard was the TV or the neighbors beagles barking at a cat or raccoon in the yard. I grew up listening to the birds singing and that was as loud at it normally got.

I also have a heart condition now. So if I had to endure what they put the guy though I too might suffer some form of heart attack. Police need to find a better way to arrest people where they don't kill people. Because killing people without a trial and judges order is just wrong. Some still think that the death penalty is wrong. I won't go that far but there are times when innocent people are sentenced to death when they should not have been. RE the Innocence Project that Barry Scheck Started and used DNR testing to prove some people innocent of the crimes that they were convicted of.

I do know this. I'm getting tired of all this violence and killing and I'm really getting tired of seeing all the protesters walking around the city's day and night. American is going downhill I guess.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/about/

[kygorski]

I have a step son, who I've never met outside of prison.He's been fighting his sentence for over 20 years. I promised his mother i wouldn't forget him, and write often anf send a few bucks when he needs it. Its almost a 250 mile drive, and I don't see him that often, many times because of "lock down", a long drive wasted.He may have a valid case, three of them arrested for a robbery, the first one acquited, the second one turned states witness, and had several priors forgotten about. theres a lot more, but police bias was a factor. His mother and father both died while he was in prison, his siblings have more or less forgotten about him. He had a public defender, and he got life no parole.There are a lot of peculiar circumstances, so I'm biased. But I believe if he could have afforded a private lawyer he would have been acquitted.

[kygorski]

I saw earlier in one of your posts that you are a bird feeder, so am I. But lately its getting to expensive, but before I went on social security, I was a fanatic. We moved to the boonies from the city, and loved it. We had no neighbors in sight, woods on all sides, a gravel road to the home. never locked a door, left the keys in the vechicles, Our kids hated it! We had deer at the feeders, turkeys, quail, even a grouse.squirrels, racoons, possum. had to move because of health problems, and hate it. Everyone at church thought we were hermits.

[Moveon]

I saw earlier in one of your posts that you are a bird feeder, so am I. But lately its getting to expensive, but before I went on social security, I was a fanatic. We moved to the boonies from the city, and loved it. We had no neighbors in sight, woods on all sides, a gravel road to the home. never locked a door, left the keys in the vechicles, Our kids hated it! We had deer at the feeders, turkeys, quail, even a grouse.squirrels, racoons, possum. had to move because of health problems, and hate it. Everyone at church thought we were hermits.

I feed them sunflower seeds and some peanuts for the blue jays. I had a heart attack 5 years ago last March and decided that I needed a new hobby that was less stressful and that I could do easily. But now my eye sight is getting worse and it's hard to see. I just got back from the eye surgeon office today where he did another minor eye operation to try to correct my vision in one of my eyes. I have to have another operation on the other eye in a few weeks. That one will take a while to recover from. Maybe a year.

I buy the sunflower seeds at the big box stores in the bigger bags to save money. It's cheaper that way. I use to buy the smaller bags of all types of bird seed and that was expensive. Most all the birds that come to my feeders eat the sunflower seeds. The Morning Doves love them as do the cardinals. The other smaller birds even eat them. Some will pick up one seed and fly off to eat it and other's will stay at the feeder and eat a bunch of seed at one time. I've got a couple of books that help me ID the birds but they are hard for me to see unless I take a picture of them and look at it later. I can shoot them with an 18 megapixel Canon DSLR using a Nifty Two Fifty Lens from Cannon and they pictures look pretty good. I'd do more photography after I get my eye surgeries finished hopefully.

I got more interested in bird watching after I learned that they are the decedents of the dinosaurs. Now I look at a Blue Jay and try to see it as a miniature T Rex. LOL Imagine being a small bug or worm and having to fight off a Blue Jay or Crow? That would be like a human trying to outrun a 30 ft long T Rex 65 million years ago.

Did you know that dinosaurs remains have been found that shows that hey had feathers. Both the birds today and the Dinosaurs of years ago had hollow bones making them lighter in weight. This allows the birds to fly. And they are finding evidence that the dinosaurs were also warm blooded like the birds today.

Twice I use to live in a more secluded area but the surrounding land was developed and homes were built behind my homes. I lived on a street with only four house and just this last week they are building 4 more homes at the end of my dead end street. This is in addition to the other 12 houses already built in the last 20 years after I moved here.

[Moveon]

I have a step son, who I've never met outside of prison.He's been fighting his sentence for over 20 years. I promised his mother i wouldn't forget him, and write often anf send a few bucks when he needs it. Its almost a 250 mile drive, and I don't see him that often, many times because of "lock down", a long drive wasted.He may have a valid case, three of them arrested for a robbery, the first one acquited, the second one turned states witness, and had several priors forgotten about. theres a lot more, but police bias was a factor. His mother and father both died while he was in prison, his siblings have more or less forgotten about him. He had a public defender, and he got life no parole.There are a lot of peculiar circumstances, so I'm biased. But I believe if he could have afforded a private lawyer he would have been acquitted.

I would think that a more experienced private lawyer who specialized in criminal law and trials would be better than a young lawyer working in the pubic defenders office who has very little trial experience .... yet. They work there to gain the experience and maybe because they care about poor people who can't always afford a expensive private law firm.

There are probably a lot of innocent people in prison today due to eye witness testimony that can and is flawed a lot of the time. I just watched a show on the "History Channel" which talkeda bout how human memory can be fooled and distorted. People can change there memory to try to fit the facts of a case and this happened in the Ferguson, Missouri Grand Jury testimony.

[kentuckykingfisher]

I feed them sunflower seeds and some peanuts for the blue jays. I had a heart attack 5 years ago last March and decided that I needed a new hobby that was less stressful and that I could do easily. But now my eye sight is getting worse and it's hard to see. I just got back from the eye surgeon office today where he did another minor eye operation to try to correct my vision in one of my eyes. I have to have another operation on the other eye in a few weeks. That one will take a while to recover from. Maybe a year.

I buy the sunflower seeds at the big box stores in the bigger bags to save money. It's cheaper that way. I use to buy the smaller bags of all types of bird seed and that was expensive. Most all the birds that come to my feeders eat the sunflower seeds. The Morning Doves love them as do the cardinals. The other smaller birds even eat them. Some will pick up one seed and fly off to eat it and other's will stay at the feeder and eat a bunch of seed at one time. I've got a couple of books that help me ID the birds but they are hard for me to see unless I take a picture of them and look at it later. I can shoot them with an 18 megapixel Canon DSLR using a Nifty Two Fifty Lens from Cannon and they pictures look pretty good. I'd do more photography after I get my eye surgeries finished hopefully.

I got more interested in bird watching after I learned that they are the decedents of the dinosaurs. Now I look at a Blue Jay and try to see it as a miniature T Rex. LOL Imagine being a small bug or worm and having to fight off a Blue Jay or Crow? That would be like a human trying to outrun a 30 ft long T Rex 65 million years ago.

Did you know that dinosaurs remains have been found that shows that hey had feathers. Both the birds today and the Dinosaurs of years ago had hollow bones making them lighter in weight. This allows the birds to fly. And they are finding evidence that the dinosaurs were also warm blooded like the birds today.

Twice I use to live in a more secluded area but the surrounding land was developed and homes were built behind my homes. I lived on a street with only four house and just this last week they are building 4 more homes at the end of my dead end street. This is in addition to the other 12 houses already built in the last 20 years after I moved here.

I too feed the birds in the winter. I just feed them plain sunflower seeds. I have a wide variety but my favorite are the chickadees. Can't stand the blue jays because they bully the smaller birds and gorge themselves while not letting the others feed. I also have some woodpeckers that come get a easy meal. Last year I had one of those large Pileated woodpeckers hang around. I liked watching him swoop in and get a mouth full of seed and take off

[Moveon]

I too feed the birds in the winter. I just feed them plain sunflower seeds. I have a wide variety but my favorite are the chickadees. Can't stand the blue jays because they bully the smaller birds and gorge themselves while not letting the others feed. I also have some woodpeckers that come get a easy meal. Last year I had one of those large Pileated woodpeckers hang around. I liked watching him swoop in and get a mouth full of seed and take off

I've got a suet block for the wood peckers to feed on. I get all different types of the woodpeckers. And there is one big one with the red head on top but it's head feathers are more rounded. And it has little stubby legs too. I've seen a few other big woodpeckers around last year. One was the Pelated.

And yes the Blue Jays dominate the bird feeders but only at a few times of the day. I've had 6 Blue Jays come to the feeder at one time when I put the Shelled Peanuts out for them. And they will take unshelled peanuts too. They only stay for a few minutes and then leave. The other birds fly up into the trees around the back yard and wait their turn.

There is definitely a pecking order at the bird feeders. A few years ago I had a bunch of starlings that would invade the neighborhood in droves and I put the Gamo Pellet Gun to good use on them. And once in a while I used to get a flock of Big Black Birds eating the bird seeds. But after I got the scope fixed on my Gamo Air Rifle and got it zeroed in I started hitting and killing them left and right and so far this year I've not seen them return.

One of the coolest things I've seen is a hawk zoom down and catch one of the doves at the feeder. It happened so fast that I didn't really get to see much. The hawk was going very fast and snatched the dove right off the flat wooden platform that I screwed onto the corner of my deck rails. All that was left was a couple of dove downy feathers. The scene sort of reminded me of the start and end of the movie "Forest Gump". You know the scenes with the single feather floating in the air for a few minutes. That's was what I saw after the hawk was gone. My field of view looking though my back window was pretty narrow so I didn't see the hawk but for a fraction of a second as it zoomed though my narrow field of view.

Another time I got a short video and some still pictures of another hawk feeding on one of the dead black birds that I shot. I had left the bird in the yard under a tree and the hawk found it about 30 minutes later and was tearing it apart and eating the remains. Well that's one way to get rid of the dead blackbirds. I'm not sure if I can find the pictures on my computer easily but I know that they are there some where. I had a hard drive fail but I had the data backed up on another portable hard drive. So when I installed a new hard drive on my computer I tired to load the old back up data onto the new hard drive but it put all the data as another user. Now I've got three or four different user names on my hard drive and that makes it hard to find the files with the old pictures as I can't remember which user name has which files and the files are saved by dates so I have to open each folder name by date and the try to figure out which pictures are in each folder. I have many folders that are named by the date the pictures were saved. So it's a slow process to go though hundreds of different folders looking for the pictures I want to upload. So I don't really use the pictures much anymore. I have them all saved in my Photoshop Elements account but I don't use that anymore as the size of the text is tiny and I'm having major eye problems and can't read the small text anymore. I had cataract surgery recently on both eyes and can't see things up close anymore without reading glasses and I need to wait two more months before my eyes are ready to be fitted with eye glasses (bi focals). So until Adobe makes it possible to enlarge the text in their Elements Program so I can tell what I'm doing in that program I'm not messing with the pictures too much. I can still take them and store them in my cameras SDHC card but getting them into Adobe Photoshop Elements is much harder. Besides Adobe is just out for the money these days. They sell the Elements for 100 dollars and the main Adobe Photoshop Program for over $400. But each year they revise the Elements Program and add one or two new features to make it enticing to buy for another $100. But the time you update every few years you have spent over $400. So I skip the updates and only update every two or three years. I've got Adobe Photoshop Elements 2, 9 and 12. By the time I go out and buy a book on how to use the new program and start to read it the next version is released before I can get though the 2" thick book. I'm done with that stupid Adobe Game.

I must have three other photo shop type programs that I have tried to use to manage my digital photos. I'm typing this right now with the 200% Windows Text Setting so that I can see what I'm typing and see the text on the screen. With my high resolution screen resolution if I had the screen text size set to 100% I'd never be able to read the tiny text. At least Windows allows me to adjust the size of the text but Adobe Photoshop Elements 12 won't do that.

And also most of my pictures are taken with a 18 MB camera and are too large to upload without resizing them.

Testing one Red Headed Woodpecker Photo coming up! Hopefully it works and will upload. I spent twenty minutes trying to find this pictures.

[kygorski]

Before all the beef was shipped dressed to many stores, you could ask a butcher to save you some suet. i used to hang it around my main feeder in a near by tree. I also used to ground feed some birds like doves and quail. I didn't have a high tech camera, but did get one good picture of an oriole at the hummer feeder. the hummers would almost get in your hand while you filled the feeders, and they were always looking in the window when the feeders were nearing empty. the grackles are a pest in the spring, but a oaf or two of old bread will keep them away from the feeders. You can go to Lowes and get bags of dried meal worms, you can almost see the robins waiting for you. Also got a bird bath, that I try to keep open and filled in the winter. prettiest bird were the gross beaks, had 3 variities during the summer.

[GeoFisher]

I don't see how you could do anything but indict this officer.

"The cause of Garner’s death was “compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,” the medical examiner’s office has said. The New York City Police Department prohibits chokeholds. The death was ruled a homicide."

This is a completely different case than what happened in Ferguson. There is video evidence of the chokehold being applied (against department policy) and the coroner's office report said that was the main cause of the death. IMO there has to be some type of charge.

The cause of his death was he is a 350lb asthematic, who smokes and lots of other issues.........It was complicated by him being an ass hat and refusing ORDERS of authority.

It was more complicated by a cop using a questionable tactic.

SAD, but had he complied he'd be alive.

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

He may have a valid case, three of them arrested for a robbery, the first one acquited, the second one turned states witness, and had several priors forgotten about. theres a lot more, but police bias was a factor. .

You don't get life without parole for armed robbery........you certainly are leaving out some details.

later,

Geo