People at the cash registers

[psprowler]

In my opinion hands on training is very under-rated in this world. I'm only as good as my helpers make me look, and quite frankly they are better than me right now even though I have the degree. The reason being is they all have worked there for years while I have only been in this particular sector about 6 months.

[Tim_T]

Here is another point I want to make. Not everybody can go to college, I didn't and know lots of guys that didn't and we did great. Are we less intelligent, in my case maybe, ''strong maybe'' but I started at a job right out of high school and was slated to go into the Marine corp. I was scheduled to sign up and a little over a month away I backed out because of a stupid girl. I was eat plum up with her, she was smoking hot and had...............uhhhh, well everything I was wanting A LOT. She talked me out of it and I still hold that and a bunch of other stuff against her to this day, very long story. We almost married and didn't...thank you God.

I worked several jobs and then started for the company I work for now in July of 1981. Started for 3:50 per hour and worked like three Mules. I took pride in running sissy boys off that couldn't hang. You know that 18 year old mentality, meaner than a striped snake or at least I thought I was and liked it. I now after over 33 years am plant manager and work with the family that owns this place and I am family to them. I can assure you I make well more than that 3:50 per hour I started at.

I tell that story not to pop off and sound cocky but to make a point. Everybody can't punch a keyboard and sit at a desk or America does not run, it stops. Now what I did will not work for everybody but the basic premise just might. But in order for it to work the powers that be have to acknowledge it and reward it. That has to happen and if it doesn't many try very very hard and still fall short and that I will never make light of or stand on my pulpit and say they didn't try hard because some tried very hard and still fell short.

If there was a way to LIKE this post more than once I would! You made the same point that I was trying to make, but somehow your big pumnpkin with a lack of brain matter actually made it much better than I!

[GeoFisher]

I call Bull Sh it. I have a buddy that has been in management with them for a shade over 20 years and makes 19.89 per hour. Walmart has questionable practices and if Sam Walton was alive he would probably have a stroke. My buddy Rick Churchman's wife Gail was in upper management over three stores and was involved in payroll, payables, recievables and some other sensitive areas and she can tell stories that would curl your hair.

They own their own store now selling pellet stoves, and manufactured stone products and what not. When she left they tried every which way but Sunday to screw her out of her 401 K she had earned and some other stuff.

While I agree with you on your basic premise in fact we all are, you ain't selling me the Walmart is a good company to work for stuff I ain't buying bro. It use to be maybe, now I am not so sure.

Mark.......19.89 an hour is 41k at Wally World. That doesn't include OT and Holiday Pay.....I call that pretty good........just sayin. But I do agree that there are bad seeds.

[mhall]

Mark.......19.89 an hour is 41k at Wally World. That doesn't include OT and Holiday Pay.....I call that pretty good........just sayin. But I do agree that there are bad seeds.

Yes and I wasn't making light of that pay is its not bad at all but he killed himself for over 20 years just to get there. When he wants off work it takes some kind of act of Congress and some Poobah sitting on a porcelin throne has to approve it.

He could have taken his talents elsewhere and done much better but I wouldn't tell him that and hurt his feelings but its true.

[mhall]

Some nice points being made guys, good conversation and I have enjoyed the back and forth.

[psprowler]

Some nice points being made guys, good conversation and I have enjoyed the back and forth.

THank tim shoot if he just would've been working the other day when you guys went this never would've got to 4 pages!

[psprowler]

No argument there on wal-mart. Their practices are downright deplorable. But by now everybody knows this. It's never going to stop though unless people make a decided effort to not give them the business. How many times do you hear people moan and groan about wal-mart - "I'll never go there again" - and then they are back the next day. That's what I don't understand. As long as saving a few extra bucks is more important than sending a message by not shopping there wal-mart will continue to laugh all the way to the bank while enslaving their employees.

There are great jobs and careers in retail. You might have to kiss a frog though (wal-mart) before you find a prince.

Tim your son and his girlfriend are on the right track.

[GeoFisher]

I'm going to guess George is probably like most of us. We did work a minimum wage job.....when we were 16. Problem is, we recognized early on that minimum wage jobs were not meant to be career jobs - they were stepping stone jobs meant to give us a little spending money while we furthered our education to become something that paid much more. While we were doing that, others (not all) weren't making the wisest decisions for their future and are now reaping what was sowed.

With that said, I could walk into KFC 20+ years later and still throw down a mean bag of extra crispy. It would be for 8.75 per hour instead of 4.25. I'll pass.

Ka BOOM.....you win.

Yep..........Paper route, Minimum Wage Job, Robbed as a Pizza Deliveray Boy....
Then.....40k in college loans, and a worthless major ( Music Performance).

Fortunately I was a techno geek in HS, and learned a few things about puters. And there was a crazy boom in that industry. AND I've worked very hard to stay ahead of the curb.

You are responsible for teaching yourself how to be successful.....period.

later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

its' not like they don't earn millions and still pay min wage. George if you worked for min wage you would sing a much different tune.

I got edjumacated, and learned a trade. I chose to not to earn minimum wage.

And it doesn't matter two shits that a company earns millions. You pay what someone is worth, not some arbitrary dollar amount, determined by some ******** politician based on what they think a company should pay.

I feel you should pay me a 1000 dollars to mow your **** yard.....because your yard is required to be mowed and I think there should be a minimum wage for lawn mowing.........GOOD GAWD.

Sounds a little socialist to me.........

[Tim_T]

I got edjumacated, and learned a trade. I chose to not to earn minimum wage.

And it doesn't matter two shits that a company earns millions. You pay what someone is worth, not some arbitrary dollar amount, determined by some ******** politician based on what they think a company should pay.

I feel you should pay me a 1000 dollars to mow your **** yard.....because your yard is required to be mowed and I think there should be a minimum wage for lawn mowing.........GOOD GAWD.

Sounds a little socialist to me.........

That's a crock of crap. If it was then you would be making $4.25 and hour while people like us would be making 40 cents an hour. There is ZERO way you can justify that kind of behavior in any normal way involving human beings.

That right there is why Walmart ***** and people bitch and moan all the time about customer service. Pay better and treat your employees better and guess what happens.......wait for it....you get better employees who actually care about their job. It is a business practice of most successful companies, Walmart just happens to be the exception. They are so far gone from the principals that Sam Walton founded that company on that it is ridiculous. Its what happens when greed is out of control. Money is not the root of all evil, but the love of money sure as hell is.

Its atitudes like your George that are the reasons that Unions were formed way back when! It is attitudes like yours that a minimum wage exist. So really, all the things that you believe are ruining the free market economy in this country are the cause of the very things you despise. Now that's ironic!

[psprowler]

That's a crock of crap. If it was then you would be making $4.25 and hour while people like us would be making 40 cents an hour. There is ZERO way you can justify that kind of behavior in any normal way involving human beings.

That right there is why Walmart ***** and people bitch and moan all the time about customer service. Pay better and treat your employees better and guess what happens.......wait for it....you get better employees who actually care about their job. It is a business practice of most successful companies, Walmart just happens to be the exception. They are so far gone from the principals that Sam Walton founded that company on that it is ridiculous. Its what happens when greed is out of control. Money is not the root of all evil, but the love of money sure as hell is.

Its atitudes like your George that are the reasons that Unions were formed way back when! It is attitudes like yours that a minimum wage exist. So really, all the things that you believe are ruining the free market economy in this country are the cause of the very things you despise. Now that's ironic!

There's a fine line between greed and doing what's best for business. Finding that happy sweet spot is tough sledding some companies do and some obviously go too far on the greed side. I always wondered why it was necessary for sales to hit 1.5 billion or failure and layoffs were imminent, even if a company raked in a mere 1.25 billion. I just ate at chick fil-a they seem to have employees who are engaged in their jobs while the company is doing well. They probably do respect their employees I'm guessing.