Where are the Americans

[Hlleonard]

Man Geo, read your quote to my wife, and she told me to respond...we did better than our parents and we gave our kids everything, and we regret it!!!!! I have 2 children, and my daughter is 26 and don't think she has had a job for longer than a month, she has a sense of entitlement, that she got from her parents not making her work for anything.....now my son is totally different, wanted to serve his country, just made E4, and re-enlisted for another 4 years, and we couldn't be prouder of him, he is hard working, respectful to his elders, and takes his job very seriously....one thing I have to say is that I would never want to see a child go hungry, but I believe if you don't work, you should not get a penny more for 2 kids as you do for 15.....i think its bull that a man that cannot pay his child support can go to jail, but a woman can lay up and have 15 kids with no consequences, that woman should be put in jail for child endangerment, kids put in foster care, and have her sterlized!!!! I am tired of paying for people who think I owe them something, I don't owe anyone anything, and we need to eradicate welfare completely except for a one year period, if your capable of working, and you don't find job in a year, your cut off.....put the kids in homes, and let them be adopted to parents that can teach them how to be responsible adults instead of teaching them how to live on welfare!!!!!

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So in a free country you would be ok with forcing sterilization on an american citizen... Maybe you live in the wrong country... Some in the middle east might follow your guidelines closer...

[GeoFisher]

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So in a free country you would be ok with forcing sterilization on an american citizen... Maybe you live in the wrong country... Some in the middle east might follow your guidelines closer...

You realize that Margaret Sanger , a poster child for women productive rights, advocated JUST THAT.........She went on to form Planned Parenthood.

You act disgusted with the idea, but you support a party that pushes that EXACT idea..........

Again a little education would help your arguments......

Later,

Geo

[riverrat12]

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So in a free country you would be ok with forcing sterilization on an american citizen... Maybe you live in the wrong country... Some in the middle east might follow your guidelines closer...

Coming from the same side that is fine with abortion. But doesn't believe in capital punishment. You sir ...well nevermind!

[Hlleonard]

Coming from the same side that is fine with abortion. But doesn't believe in capital punishment. You sir ...well nevermind!

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I take this to mean you also would advocate forced sterilization in a free country... Doesn't sound like you are actually an advocate of freedom if thats true..

[riverrat12]

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I take this to mean you also would advocate forced sterilization in a free country... Doesn't sound like you are actually an advocate of freedom if thats true..

Your party has allready taken that step..simply put, so you and your party would rather kill an unborn baby instead of stopping the source before conception...correct. Twist it anyway you like. And I will not argue,this is my belief. You will not change that.

[Hlleonard]

A fetus is not an american citizen an as such has no rights, if you don't agree with that then take it up with the supreme court, an adult female has rights as an american citizen and it is not your place to step on them.. Again, if you don't like our country...

[riverrat12]

A fetus is not an american citizen an as such has no rights, if you don't agree with that then take it up with the supreme court, an adult female has rights as an american citizen and it is not your place to step on them.. Again, if you don't like our country...

How's that workin for ya! Let's hope one of these 30 fatherless children don't endanger one of your family members. Typical Dem......support the illegal, and irresponsible. The innocent be damned! http://youtu.be/HNohGQv9o9g

[fishin350]

Neither are illegals but liberals want to give them rights. What gives with that crapp.

[Hlleonard]

Neither are illegals but liberals want to give them rights. What gives with that crapp.

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Liberals?... never heard this guy described that way.

Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. It was sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers.
But the bill also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty

[kygorski]

I just don't understand the logic of some of you guys. Union employees DO NOT WORK FOR THE UNION!. This BS about protecting lazy asses dosn't compute.The work must get done. Thats where your pay comes from.You actually think a guy wants to do the work of a slacker for only his pay? I didn't mind helping a guy who wasn't feeling good, or who had a temporary problem. But dead wood didn't hget the work done. Management directs the work force, its in almost all labor conytracts, if loafing is going on, its the responsibility of management to fix the problem.As a union steward I couldn't get a guy to work faster or "hit the ball". If I tried I would standing in front of the NLRB, and in big trouble.I f I told someone to slow down, I would be fired, and in most cases the union wouldn't back me. The members would vote me out of office. In our plant you ndidn't need to join the union, and no dues were collected. But you could go to the union steward and ask why "nobody" likes me.

[DJD]

I just don't understand the logic of some of you guys. Union employees DO NOT WORK FOR THE UNION!. This BS about protecting lazy asses dosn't compute.The work must get done. Thats where your pay comes from.You actually think a guy wants to do the work of a slacker for only his pay? I didn't mind helping a guy who wasn't feeling good, or who had a temporary problem. But dead wood didn't hget the work done. Management directs the work force, its in almost all labor conytracts, if loafing is going on, its the responsibility of management to fix the problem.As a union steward I couldn't get a guy to work faster or "hit the ball". If I tried I would standing in front of the NLRB, and in big trouble.I f I told someone to slow down, I would be fired, and in most cases the union wouldn't back me. The members would vote me out of office. In our plant you ndidn't need to join the union, and no dues were collected. But you could go to the union steward and ask why "nobody" likes me.

Well your opinion is from a pro union guy and I get that. Me, not so much of a union guy and my experiences of dealing with them, not being a member, shows me how they can be to the rest of us. Sabotage on our work, stealing tools from us and just the general attitude of acting like children because they were working around non Union guys under the same roof showed me the true attitude of that plant.

UPS went on strike in the 90's and my buddy was on the line with signs and yelling at anyone who went back to work as they drove in the gate. These were friends of theirs who crossed the picket line and they were dealt with harshly for crossin that line....that also makes me wonder about all the "nice" things about unions. They turn on eachother and target non-Union workers for sabotage. Do I think unions were needed at one point Yep! Now not so much. I watched them try and takeover several small companies and they failed but man they were ruthless in getting folks to try and get on board.

I work with a few Union electrical firms and the men I deal with are great. They have a good reputation and Other than knowing they are Union there is no difference. They can gear up and get a lot of men on site faster then most non-Union companies and I actually like that. I don't lump all unions into a bad spot but my experiences are 75% bad that's for sure.

i talked with Union stewards (one of my good friends with UPS) and he tells me how they can "hide" or "protect" idiots. No offense but I take his word as a working person compared to how you used to do it. He laughs when I say that's messed up using their power to protect an idiot...just to win the game against management.

[kygorski]

I'm mostly talking about industrial workers. I worked construction jobs, but didn't care for it, There is a world of difference between a production worker and some trade workers. I won't go into the teamster thug union, which I detest. I'd prefer to have a journey man do some needed work. My cousins are construction workers, retired now,one was an ironworker who's work can still be seen from miles away.But when you get into production work, the work MUST be done. Loafers make it hard for other workers, many union officers would gladly be able to see these fired, but thats management, and in production, the loafers dont last long. I liked my last job, but I left a good job to get it. Went to the state employment service, to apply for a job, took two hours of testing, and was told my application would be sent to the employer,I was called took more tests and didn't get employed. But related jobs were opened to me. These positions had requirements that a lot of folks didn't have.