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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
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    Pay better wages and our economy and our dependence of gov handouts get better
    You work at a Tire Store making $12/hour mounting tires. That's all you've got. Let's say you work 40 hours a week, so there is $480 before taxes and you bring home around $400/week, or $1600/mo.

    Not exactly easy to pay for all of life's necessities (Shelter, Food, Transportation, Medical) and live comfortably on that, I understand...especially if you are the only bread-winner, are married, have kids. Tough. I'd bet some here will say that it can be done though, with the right budgeting, self control, and perseverance...but I digress.

    Let's say we take that $12/hour and make it $24/hour....wow....it just got a little easier to meet your bills. Good day for Johnny Tire Buster....even though research will tell you that the more you make, the more you spend. It's all relative. But again, I digress.

    The Tire Store currently charges customers $5 to mount a tire, $50 for an alignment, $15 for an oil change. It's owned by a local businessman who took over the business from his father, he's fighting the big national chains who have enormously more money than him, and has already cut prices to a degree just to compete. He doesn't have much retirement, he's 53 years old, and has no succession plan for his business. Now, just on the one employee in this example, his labor costs have doubled. If he's going to remain in business, he can either:

    (a) Cut his staff in half....but probably won't be able to get the work done for customers if he does, so they'll get upset, start giving bad reviews, and going elsewhere.
    (b) Raise his prices to offset the $25,000+ additional expense caused by raising wages....but then he can't compete as well with the national chains and his business will fall off.
    (c) Just eat all of that additional expense as a direct hit to his bottom line....which isn't really an option....he's already on a shoestring budget trying to survive as a small middle class business owner and keep the doors open. He doesn't live like a king or anything. He's a normal guy.
    (d) Some combination of A-B-C.

    He's going to do (D).

    He'll cut a guy....maybe 1 back in the shop, even though it hurts....he'll raise his prices to the consumer a bit and hope to God nobody complains too much....and he'll eat a little of it in a lowered bottom line, because he's known Johnny Tire Buster back in the shop for 20 years, has seen his kids born, considers him family, and can't bear to let him go unless it's dire straights. He's a businessman, but he also has a big heart. (This is most businessmen in America, unlike what you are lead to believe about Wall Street and greedy business owners.)

    The result:
    Fewer jobs.
    Higher prices to people coming in for goods and services...which cuts back into those higher wages they are earning...and also earns the government some more sales tax revenue too.
    Small businesses that fail in favor of larger/national businesses with more cash flow and access to resources.

    I'm not saying I know a quicker/better solution, but I'm not buying into Government mandated drastic increases in wages yet.
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    [QUOTE=MrSplitshot;542575]

    The Tire Store currently charges customers $5 to mount a tire, $50 for an alignment, $15 for an oil change.[/QUOTE

    5 bucks to mount a tire is a really good price, I live about 15 minutes from 3 small towns and one tire store charges me 8 bucks to mount and balance a new tire, and the other 2 towns have tire stores that charge 28 bucks per tire. and they stay covered up with business, I guess people have more money than they do good common sense.
    I buy my tires from tirerack.com with free shipping and depending on the brand of tire you buy, you get a 50.00 and up rebate on a set of 4 and get all 4 mounted and balanced for 32 bucks. I'm over 60 years of age and have never paid for an oil change in my life, do it myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSplitshot View Post
    You work at a Tire Store making $12/hour mounting tires. That's all you've got. Let's say you work 40 hours a week, so there is $480 before taxes and you bring home around $400/week, or $1600/mo.

    Not exactly easy to pay for all of life's necessities (Shelter, Food, Transportation, Medical) and live comfortably on that, I understand...especially if you are the only bread-winner, are married, have kids. Tough. I'd bet some here will say that it can be done though, with the right budgeting, self control, and perseverance...but I digress.

    Let's say we take that $12/hour and make it $24/hour....wow....it just got a little easier to meet your bills. Good day for Johnny Tire Buster....even though research will tell you that the more you make, the more you spend. It's all relative. But again, I digress.

    The Tire Store currently charges customers $5 to mount a tire, $50 for an alignment, $15 for an oil change. It's owned by a local businessman who took over the business from his father, he's fighting the big national chains who have enormously more money than him, and has already cut prices to a degree just to compete. He doesn't have much retirement, he's 53 years old, and has no succession plan for his business. Now, just on the one employee in this example, his labor costs have doubled. If he's going to remain in business, he can either:

    (a) Cut his staff in half....but probably won't be able to get the work done for customers if he does, so they'll get upset, start giving bad reviews, and going elsewhere.
    (b) Raise his prices to offset the $25,000+ additional expense caused by raising wages....but then he can't compete as well with the national chains and his business will fall off.
    (c) Just eat all of that additional expense as a direct hit to his bottom line....which isn't really an option....he's already on a shoestring budget trying to survive as a small middle class business owner and keep the doors open. He doesn't live like a king or anything. He's a normal guy.
    (d) Some combination of A-B-C.

    He's going to do (D).

    He'll cut a guy....maybe 1 back in the shop, even though it hurts....he'll raise his prices to the consumer a bit and hope to God nobody complains too much....and he'll eat a little of it in a lowered bottom line, because he's known Johnny Tire Buster back in the shop for 20 years, has seen his kids born, considers him family, and can't bear to let him go unless it's dire straights. He's a businessman, but he also has a big heart. (This is most businessmen in America, unlike what you are lead to believe about Wall Street and greedy business owners.)

    The result:
    Fewer jobs.
    Higher prices to people coming in for goods and services...which cuts back into those higher wages they are earning...and also earns the government some more sales tax revenue too.
    Small businesses that fail in favor of larger/national businesses with more cash flow and access to resources.

    I'm not saying I know a quicker/better solution, but I'm not buying into Government mandated drastic increases in wages yet.
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    I understand that it is much harder for small businesses to increase their pay scale but if you can only afford to pay food stamp wages then maybe you are part of the problem... not sure why the rest of us should pay part of the support of your employees simply because you are a small business.. If you can't cut it somebody else will... In our little town there must be 4 or 5 businesses mowing yards, here mostly they pay school kids to help them and I don't have a problem with that, school kids aren't having to provide a home and support for a family... I'm sure 1 or 2 businesses can provide those services and be in better shape to pay a better wage if they needed full time employees...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
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    not sure why the rest of us should pay part of the support of your employees simply because you are a small business.. If you can't cut it somebody else will...
    Say what? This is exactly the same stuff you rail against. Just replace "your employees" and "are a small business" with "those that have minimum wage jobs" and "didn't bother to further yourselves" to get the exact same premise. This aint burger king you can't have it your way, or in this case both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
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    I understand that it is much harder for small businesses to increase their pay scale but if you can only afford to pay food stamp wages then maybe you are part of the problem... not sure why the rest of us should pay part of the support of your employees simply because you are a small business.. If you can't cut it somebody else will... In our little town there must be 4 or 5 businesses mowing yards, here mostly they pay school kids to help them and I don't have a problem with that, school kids aren't having to provide a home and support for a family... I'm sure 1 or 2 businesses can provide those services and be in better shape to pay a better wage if they needed full time employees...
    Hlleonard, if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living/career?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSplitshot View Post
    Hlleonard, if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living/career?
    I would like to know this to??????????????????????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSplitshot View Post
    Hlleonard, if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living/career?
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    I worked in a union manufacturing plant most of my life but I'm guessing you guys already knew that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
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    I worked in a union manufacturing plant most of my life but I'm guessing you guys already knew that...
    Wow what a shocker, LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhall View Post
    Wow what a shocker, LOL
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    How many union members you know who feed their kids with food stamps...
    I know of a good many working people who do that don't belong to a union...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
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    How many union members you know who feed their kids with food stamps...
    I know of a good many working people who do that don't belong to a union...
    I don't know ANYBODY that feeds their kids with food stamps. I run with the right crowd, lol....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hlleonard View Post
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    I understand that it is much harder for small businesses to increase their pay scale but if you can only afford to pay food stamp wages then maybe you are part of the problem... not sure why the rest of us should pay part of the support of your employees simply because you are a small business.. If you can't cut it somebody else will... In our little town there must be 4 or 5 businesses mowing yards, here mostly they pay school kids to help them and I don't have a problem with that, school kids aren't having to provide a home and support for a family... I'm sure 1 or 2 businesses can provide those services and be in better shape to pay a better wage if they needed full time employees...
    So in this example Mr Hlleonard would be in favor of big business with A CEO running the company probably making millions putting the locally owned small business members of the community on the street?? Seems pretty hypocritical, BUT not surprised

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    Quote Originally Posted by 201stratos View Post
    So in this example Mr Hlleonard would be in favor of big business with A CEO running the company probably making millions putting the locally owned small business members of the community on the street?? Seems pretty hypocritical, BUT not surprised
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    We are stuck with the CEO disease no matter what we do.... consolidating small company into a bigger one makes it more capable of paying a better wage....

    on the street?? ... everybody can't be a company, if you don't have enough business to support yourself and your employees then maybe you need to be an employee..

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