Welfare Fraud

[Hlleonard]

My old brain pan isn't what it used to be but I don't recall EVER saying "we can have starving people as long as they don't bother me." ??

I'm sure Geofisher could find what the current expenditure is for SNAP but I'm attempting to make a simple point. SNAP is rampant with fraud. That's all I'm saying. SNAP is rampant with fraud.

It galls my butt to read about all the ATM SNAP withdrawals at casinos, race tracks,fancy hotels, etc. Definitely places where a "poor needy" person shouldn't be using food funds.

Shipping commodities to the poor would feed them and stop the fraud. Is it practical? No it's not.

Would it be more costly? I don't know, but it's my simple opinion the extra cost could be absorbed by the decrease in fraud.

There would be nothing to prevent the recipients from selling these commodities on the open (black) market.That would be a win for me as I'd be able to purchase black market rice,beans,etc at a much discounted cost than what I'm paying at the market.

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Hmmm... must be something in the water... I agree...

SNAP is rampant with fraud. That's all I'm saying. SNAP is rampant with fraud.
it certainly is.

It galls my butt to read about all the ATM SNAP withdrawals at casinos, race tracks,fancy hotels, etc. Definitely places where a "poor needy" person shouldn't be using food funds.
mine too.

Shipping commodities to the poor would feed them and stop the fraud. Is it practical? No it's not.
I believe this also.

There would be nothing to prevent the recipients from selling these commodities on the open (black) market
I think there would be some of this but nothing like the fraud involved in the food stamp trade.

I believe the good outweighs the bad as far as the food stamp program goes even though we see a lot of trading food stamps for money, cigarettes and everything else it does alleviate most of the hunger we would have without it..

[Hlleonard]

i'm sure the wording of the post I attributed to you isn't spot on, its been a long time and I'm not sure how long it would take to find it but if it turns into an argument I will certainly attempt...... had something to do with hungry kids and your opinion about that being not your concern...

[Tyme2fish]

I took the hint from Geo and searched for hungry,hunger,kids,starving,poor,etc using Tyme2fish as the poster and came up with nothing.

The reward is still offered and if the post can't be found, I think I'm owned an apology.

If the post cannot be found and you refuse to apologize, I challenge you,Sir to a duel. We shall throw limp spaghetti noodles at each other from 50 paces. First noodler to land, wins.

[Hlleonard]

I took the hint from Geo and searched for hungry,hunger,kids,starving,poor,etc using Tyme2fish as the poster and came up with nothing.

The reward is still offered and if the post can't be found, I think I'm owned an apology.

If the post cannot be found and you refuse to apologize, I challenge you,Sir to a duel. We shall throw limp spaghetti noodles at each other from 50 paces. First noodler to land, wins.

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Deny all you want Mr. Tyme2fish.... facts are facts whether or not you fess up...

[Tyme2fish]

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Deny all you want Mr. Tyme2fish.... facts are facts whether or not you fess up...

What facts? You've yet to post a fact, only your misguided opinion or memory. My challenge to you stands.

I repeat, your accusation towards me is unfounded and untrue.

Geo, you're a computer expert, could you try to find a post where I said what Hlleonard accuses of me. If you find such a post, and that's a mighty big if, I will apologize to all and ,Geo, you will receive the reward offer I posted.

[Tyme2fish]

i'm sure the wording of the post I attributed to you isn't spot on, its been a long time and I'm not sure how long it would take to find it but if it turns into an argument I will certainly attempt...... had something to do with hungry kids and your opinion about that being not your concern...

Fine, it's turned into an arguement. So "attempt" away....and when you can't locate something I never said, I expect you to admit same.

[Hlleonard]

Fine, it's turned into an arguement. So "attempt" away....and when you can't locate something I never said, I expect you to admit same.

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I'm sure you and I aren't the only ones that remember that, you would not have forgotten that post especially if it was against your grain, but fortunately for you most of the folks here are your right wing proteges but I will look... but I will not apologize for something I know to be the truth...

[Tyme2fish]

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I will not apologize for something I know to be the truth...

But let me ask you a question . A horse, a cow and a deer all eat the same stuff... grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?"

Do you really feel qualified to discuss this when you don't KNOW sh.t.

[Hlleonard]

But let me ask you a question . A horse, a cow and a deer all eat the same stuff... grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?"

Do you really feel qualified to discuss this when you don't KNOW sh.t.

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I do know... and so do you...

[Hlleonard]

Your argument states, "We have fraud and abuse and a totally unsustainable program, but let's make sure the children are fed." Tough, don't breed them if you can't feed them.

I suppose you don't remember posting this..

[Tyme2fish]

Your argument states, "We have fraud and abuse and a totally unsustainable program, but let's make sure the children are fed." Tough, don't breed them if you can't feed them.

I suppose you don't remember posting this..

That's the post? You've got to be kidding me!! Quite a stretch from "letting all the lil children go hungry".

Dang right, if you can't feed a child, don't breed one. But once one is born, then unfortunately it's my responsibility (from taxes) to make sure it's fed,clothed,housed,etc and not the so called baby momma's or baby daddy's.

[GeoFisher]

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I'm sure you and I aren't the only ones that remember that, you would not have forgotten that post especially if it was against your grain, but fortunately for you most of the folks here are your right wing proteges but I will look... but I will not apologize for something I know to be the truth...

Sad.