God and Religion

[waterdog101]

There is nothing in the logical world that leads to a belief in the supernatural.. People debate this endlessly, there is a reason most scientific minds don't accept a supernatural origin of all we see.. Faith is a great thing for those who have it but just because you believe doesn't make it so..

like I said earlier, I'm an opened minded guy, down through the years of my life, like most other folks I have given life and where we came from a lot of thought, I looked at it like this, I came from my Mother, she came from her Mother, right on back to where the Bible says God made the world and everything in it. he made the first woman, I could easy enough see that. in my mind it was hard for me to get a grip on something coming from nothing, like the " Big Bang " you can't have a big bang unless you already have gas, dirt, rock, water and so on. there has to be something to make the Big Bang, so I asked myself, where did the materials come from that made the big bang. so I thought a greater power had to form the materials that made the big bang. so God must have made everything that the world exist of. looking back on nothing comes from nothing, in my mind everything has to start from something. so I can't see a big bang, without materials that were made by a supernatural power. it did trouble me for years, about God. I can backtrack and see that I was born of woman, my Mother came from a woman, back to Gods creation Eve and Adam. I asked myself where did God come from, I wanted to think God was like me he had to come from something, but if he came from something he wouldn't be God, he has no beginning or end, he is supernatural and just exist. I have excepted this, it is the only thing that makes sense to me.

[Hlleonard]

like I said earlier, I'm an opened minded guy, down through the years of my life, like most other folks I have given life and where we came from a lot of thought, I looked at it like this, I came from my Mother, she came from her Mother, right on back to where the Bible says God made the world and everything in it. he made the first woman, I could easy enough see that. in my mind it was hard for me to get a grip on something coming from nothing, like the " Big Bang " you can't have a big bang unless you already have gas, dirt, rock, water and so on. there has to be something to make the Big Bang, so I asked myself, where did the materials come from that made the big bang. so I thought a greater power had to form the materials that made the big bang. so God must have made everything that the world exist of. looking back on nothing comes from nothing, in my mind everything has to start from something. so I can't see a big bang, without materials that were made by a supernatural power. it did trouble me for years, about God. I can backtrack and see that I was born of woman, my Mother came from a woman, back to Gods creation Eve and Adam. I asked myself where did God come from, I wanted to think God was like me he had to come from something, but if he came from something he wouldn't be God, he has no beginning or end, he is supernatural and just exist. I have excepted this, it is the only thing that makes sense to me.

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I think there is something like 98% of the US population who agrees with you in that there has to be a supernatural origin... I have heard most arguments concerning the unlikelihood of something coming from nothing and I have to admit it sounds like a stretch but it seems to me the creation as laid out in genesis is doing just that with the exception of having a supernatural component... I just simply cannot accept anything supernatural as an actual happening, witches, demons, ghost and a hoard of others seem to fit in with a belief in a supernatural creator.. There isn't a shred of evidence to substantiate the existence of a god or a jesus as is told in the new testament, there are historical writings that say there was a man whom was said to be a leader of the jews and whose name was jesus and who was crucified by the romans but nothing to substantiate the legand that lead to the writing of the new testament..

[know1]

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I think there is something like 98% of the US population who agrees with you in that there has to be a supernatural origin... I have heard most arguments concerning the unlikelihood of something coming from nothing and I have to admit it sounds like a stretch but it seems to me the creation as laid out in genesis is doing just that with the exception of having a supernatural component... I just simply cannot accept anything supernatural as an actual happening, witches, demons, ghost and a hoard of others seem to fit in with a belief in a supernatural creator.. There isn't a shred of evidence to substantiate the existence of a god or a jesus as is told in the new testament, there are historical writings that say there was a man whom was said to be a leader of the jews and whose name was jesus and who was crucified by the romans but nothing to substantiate the legand that lead to the writing of the new testament..

Just because human logic can't comprehend God, doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It's pretty small minded to say that God doesn't exist just because you don't understand everything about how God works.

[Hlleonard]

Just because human logic can't comprehend God, doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It's pretty small minded to say that God doesn't exist just because you don't understand everything about how God works.

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Just because human logic can't comprehend God, doesn't mean God doesn't exist
No sir it does not but it seems logic was used in the reasoning as to why there had to be a god.

Small minded?.... simply because someone doesn't believe as you do?..
There is absolutely no reason beyond faith to believe in a diety
The supernatural is simply unacceptable to some of us,
I know several people who claim to be atheist and to my knowledge none have referred to anybody
by a name such as small minded, for some reason these kinds of judgments seem to be used by those who profess a belief in gods and such.. Why is that?... it seems to be against your teachings but alas, there it is..

[sweetwater]

Along the line of what mrsplitshot was saying I can see no reason why creationism and evolutionism cannot go hand in hand. The bible says God created the heavens and the earth in six days but it does not say how long one of God's days is. Assuming one of God's days is about two billion of our years long and with modern science placing the age of the universe at 13.8 billon years and the earth at about 4.5 billion years the math comes fairly close to giving credence to both beliefs. The scientific estimated age of the universe comes from the Big Bang Theory which is just that, a theory which I have my doubts about. Also, several Christian ministries promote the idea that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, which they say comes from the Bible. In reality though, the Bible makes no claim as to the age of the earth or the universe.

[waterdog101]

Along the line of what mrsplitshot was saying I can see no reason why creationism and evolutionism cannot go hand in hand. The bible says God created the heavens and the earth in six days but it does not say how long one of God's days is. Assuming one of God's days is about two billion of our years long and with modern science placing the age of the universe at 13.8 billon years and the earth at about 4.5 billion years the math comes fairly close to giving credence to both beliefs. The scientific estimated age of the universe comes from the Big Bang Theory which is just that, a theory which I have my doubts about. Also, several Christian ministries promote the idea that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, which they say comes from the Bible. In reality though, the Bible makes no claim as to the age of the earth or the universe.

2 Peter ch3 verse 8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

[Hlleonard]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#000000]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#000000]Explanation?... This seems pretty straight forward, not sure how anybody can get anything except a 24 hour day from this... [/COLOR][/FONT]

[Hlleonard]

Guys, A long time age I felt as you guys do but occurrences since then caused me to question that feeling and caused me to realize if there was a creator he/she was a very cruel entity and that is bolstered by what is written in the old testament... After a few years it made no sense to me and since then has only made less sense... There are so many contradictions in the bible that it is impossible to believe any of it is true... Have talked to those who say their belief comes not from the bible but from somewhere else... There is no other source for a belief in the christian god other than the bible and what is passed down from the older generation which influenced a persons life. If you were raised a christian you are likely a christian, if you were raised a muslim you are likely to be a muslim and so on but ask a christian about the only true god he will tell you, ask a muslim the same and he will tell you, all cannot be right... There is one reason you believe and that is because you were taught by those who preceded you, there is no logical reason... Religion is a fascinating subject of discussion but inevitable there are those who feel their belief is being attacked because there are no answers to questions of faith.. We tend to struggle for explanations where there are none..

[know1]

Guys, A long time age I felt as you guys do but occurrences since then caused me to question that feeling and caused me to realize if there was a creator he/she was a very cruel entity and that is bolstered by what is written in the old testament... After a few years it made no sense to me and since then has only made less sense... There are so many contradictions in the bible that it is impossible to believe any of it is true... Have talked to those who say their belief comes not from the bible but from somewhere else... There is no other source for a belief in the christian god other than the bible and what is passed down from the older generation which influenced a persons life. If you were raised a christian you are likely a christian, if you were raised a muslim you are likely to be a muslim and so on but ask a christian about the only true god he will tell you, ask a muslim the same and he will tell you, all cannot be right... There is one reason you believe and that is because you were taught by those who preceded you, there is no logical reason... Religion is a fascinating subject of discussion but inevitable there are those who feel their belief is being attacked because there are no answers to questions of faith.. We tend to struggle for explanations where there are none..

But what if our lives on earth were such a tiny, insignificant portion of our entire story that the good and bad that happen to us mean essentially nothing? Things that seem cruel to you might look completely different from a different perspective.

[sweetwater]

2 Peter ch3 verse 8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Peter 3:8 is The Apostle Peter (Saint Peter) referring to Moses' prayer for mercy and grace written in Psalm 90:4 which says "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." The Apostle’s meaning in Peter 3:8 is thought to be in substance and meaning that in one day God could do the work of a thousand years; therefore he is not slow and he is always able and ready to fulfill his promises; and a thousand years is no more of a delay to the eternal God than one day is to us.

[Bonefish]

There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus in biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that thousands of Christians in the first century A. D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to die as martyrs for Jesus. Why would anyone want to die for a lie? You have to also remember Rome destroyed Jerusalem and Israel in A.D. 70 and a lot of historical evidence were destroyed during this time. However, there is also evidence in secular history as well. The following are some of the historian writers who gave accounts of Jesus.

First-century Tacitus in “Annals 15.44” wrote about Jesus suffering under Pontius Pilate.

Flavius Josephus the famous Jewish historian in his “Antiquities” refers to Jesus.

Thallus writes about the crucifixion in the “Extant Writings, 18”.

Piny the Younger in “Letters 10.96” writes about Jesus’ followers.

The Babylonian Talmud in “Sanhedrin 43a” confirms Jesus’ crucifixion.

[Hlleonard]

There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus in biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that thousands of Christians in the first century A. D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to die as martyrs for Jesus. Why would anyone want to die for a lie? You have to also remember Rome destroyed Jerusalem and Israel in A.D. 70 and a lot of historical evidence were destroyed during this time. However, there is also evidence in secular history as well. The following are some of the historian writers who gave accounts of Jesus.

First-century Tacitus in “Annals 15.44” wrote about Jesus suffering under Pontius Pilate.

Flavius Josephus the famous Jewish historian in his “Antiquities” refers to Jesus.

Thallus writes about the crucifixion in the “Extant Writings, 18”.

Piny the Younger in “Letters 10.96” writes about Jesus’ followers.

The Babylonian Talmud in “Sanhedrin 43a” confirms Jesus’ crucifixion.

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Do any of these show evidence of the jesus of the new testament? or simply a man who was said to be the leader of the jews and was crucified for that.. Josephus was a jew and as such would not have been a believer of jesus the messiah..

There is no evidence that I have ever seen which lends any credence to jesus the messiah... To the contrary there seems to be a complete lack of anything historical which gives any evidence to that.. Does nobody find it strange that with all the things the new testament says happened surrounding this character that nothing was recorded that substantiates anything except him being am actual person who did not do anything extraordinary... History says he was nothing more than a man who was crucified by the romans...