A few comments on various thoughts from above:

“Something exists.
You do not get something from nothing.
Therefore, a necessary and eternal Being exists.”

I think you are missing a large section there. You make a huge jump from something exists, to an eternal being exists, but nowhere do you prove an eternal being exists.

You cannot deny you exist because you have to exist in order to deny your own existence (which is self-defeating), so the first premise above is true. No one has ever demonstrated that something can come from nothing unless they redefine what ‘nothing’ is, so the second premise rings true. Therefore, the conclusion naturally follows—an eternal Being is responsible for everything that exists.”

Again, you make a huge jump. You have not proven that an external being exists and is responsible for everything. L. Krauss has an interesting book out called “A universe from nothing”. Well worth the read. He shows that without breaking the laws of physics, you can get a universe from nothing. Still need more data to further evaluate his hypothesis. Just because you cannot explain something does not mean that god exists.


“ However, the problem with that stance is that all scientific evidence points to the fact that the universe had a beginning (the ‘big bang’). And everything that has a beginning must have a cause; therefore, the universe had a cause and is not eternal. Because the only two sources of eternality are an eternal universe (denied by all current empirical evidence) or an eternal Creator, the only logical conclusion is that God exists. Answering the question of God’s existence in the affirmative rules out atheism as a valid belief system.”

Incorrect. There are an increasing number of physicists who argue that the universe did not have a beginning. The big bang was one event that occurred and produced our current universe. But what happened before that? Could there have been a previous universe that collapsed on itself? If you must argue that everything has a cause, then what caused god?

“I'm arguing against the stance that if you can't explain or understand God, then God doesn't exist.”

And the corollary: just because you cannot determine how it works or was done, does not mean that god did it. The old god of the gaps argument.

“you and I are on the same page on this one, every thing we see around us, and up above, has to come from a God. be open minded and think about The Big Bang Theory, if a big bang created all this, the big bang had to be intelligent, it created and placed all the planets in the right order, with one being the sun for a heat source. created two types of water, salt and fresh water, thousands of different plants and trees, thousand of different insects, with both male and female of each kind, thousands of different kind of fish, male and female, all the animals both male and female, oxygen for animals and people to breathe. made man and woman with minds smart enough to build a ride that can take them into outer space, placed the earth the right distance from the sun, so we could have different seasons. made our digestive systems so we could eat the plants it made.one could go on and on looking at all the wonders this intelligent Big Bang made. I just can't see this wonderful world being created by an explosion.”

In short, the anthropic principal. An analogy might be: someone wins the lottery and thinks, wow, I must be special, what are the odds of me winning! Of course they fail to consider that someone had to win, and that many others did not win. In a similar vein, some suggest that the odds must be astronomical that the earth could be that far from the sun, liquid water, etc.; therefore, the earth must be special to have life. The Milky Way galaxy has something like 300 billion stars in it. There are something like 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. Even with astronomical odds, it had to happen on at least one planet.

“archaeology has proved the bible”

Some parts, yes. Other parts not at all. For example, there is absolutely no evidence of an exodus or 650,000 people (the figure from the book of Numbers) wondering the desert for 40 years. In fact, archaeology indicates that the people of Israel were descendant from people who had lived in the area for 100’s of years. Likewise, there is no evidence of a global flood. Incidentally, the Noah flood story originally appeared in the Epic of Gilgamesh, a Babylonian/Sumerian myth written 500-600 years before the bible.


“Saying there's no God is like saying there is no sun, I promise you the sun is not just an unexplainable light. There's a sun!”

I can observe a sun, so I know it is there. I can take measurements, determine its make up, and many other things about it. Therefore, I can conclude that there is a sun. One can neither measure nor observe a “god”.