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Barry should be standing up there with the ISIL/ISIL guy...prolly related.
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if it wasn't for the two Bush Legacies in Iraq, President Obama wouldn't have one there.Originally Posted by GeoFisher
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AND the peanut farmer before Reagan caused a whole lot of our current issues.
I'm glad someone had BALLS to lead. Reagan, Bush and Bush. Clinton to some extent.
Maybe Michelle will loan Barack some balls.....I hear he/she has plenty to spare.
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Geo
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read your history Geo. the real one. Ever hear of JF Dulles? There was a democratic ruler in Iran, we organized a coup and had him removed. We got a stooge who turned the place into a police state[savac]. Then we backed saddam in a war with Iran, where he used chemical weapons. Our foreign policy has been a joke since the early 60s. We started having ideas of empire back then, forgetting what happened to all the other empires. Democracy is something folks want, not what they are forced into. We **** at "nation building" while ours is the best there is so far, that doesn't mean its right for everyone. And one of staunch supporters in the middle east, Turkey, also commited genocide.
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Empire.......Nation building..........Nice buzzwords by liberals.
Tell me a single place where we've actually conquered it in the name of the United States, planted a flag and made it a territory. THAT my friend is Empire and Nation Building.
NOW, if you would like to be schooled on history.....does the cold war mean anything to you. Do you suppose those Communist ******** would have just laid down their weapons and their nuclear threats? I love how folks like you cherry pick what historical events you "choose" to use to justify your position.
Our current policies in the middle east are the single most IGNORANT policy this country has ever taken with regards to the region.
THINK.
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Geo
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I had never heard of JF Dulles.......I'm reading now........Kind of sounds like my kind of guy
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This may blow your mind Geo, but I doubt you'd beliebve it, you only see one side of an issue most of the time. Did you know the CIA, and the american government condoned and helped in the assasinations of nuns and priests in latin america? The "Brothers Dulles" mentions some of that, but there are more sources. Death squads sounds like something you might like. If you condone the Dulles policies. Oh! we also helped train the Iranian secret police.So muslims are not the only terrorists that folks are scared of. You mentioned cold war. did I know about it? 8th inf. div. 1956 - 1959, germany
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Lots of **** is done in every administration. Some I agree with some I don't.
I have read a whole bunch of stuff I don't agree with, but the bottom line........if it is in the name of Protecting Americans and the AMERICAN way of life........then I say do it.
Liberal ass whining kiddy cats don't understand that.
BTW.....how about you provide your source? Let me see how you obtain your facts. My facts are generally backed up with a link.
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Geo
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You know, anyone can write a book........
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Kinzer has opposed interventionist U.S. foreign policy toward Latin America. In a 2010 interview with Imagineer Magazine, he stated:
The effects of U.S. intervention in Latin America have been overwhelming negative. They have had the effect of reinforcing brutal and unjust social systems and crushing people who are fighting for what we would actually call 'American values.' In many cases, if you take Chile, Guatemala, or Honduras for examples, we actually overthrew governments that had principles similar to ours and replaced those democratic, quasi-democratic, or nationalist leaders with people who detest everything the United States stands for.[2]
Kinzer's reporting on Central America is criticized by Herman and Chomsky in their book Manufacturing Consent (1988)
In Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change From Hawaii to Iraq, published in 2006, Kinzer critiqued U.S. foreign policy as overly interventionist.
In his 2008 book A Thousand Hills: Rwanda's Rebirth and the Man who Dreamed It, Kinzer credits President Paul Kagame for the peace, development, and stability that Rwanda has enjoyed in the years after the Rwandan genocide, and criticizes the leaders of Rwanda before the genocide such as Juvenal Habyarimana.
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your links are mostly right wing views, so you get you want, and that makes you happy. Being a liberal, my pocket change has two sides, where do you get your money from? Sure anyone can write a book, even palin wrote one. But you DONT need to buy it or read it. So my views there are like yours biased.
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I read and post from both sides.........I've posted quite a bunch from MSNBC, and CNN on this site. I've also posted from others, but you're right I lean RIGHT and justify arguments with stuff from Fox. But you know what, FOX has significantly apposing viewpoints versus the other stations.
Tell me one single show on ANY network that has a particular viewpoint and brings in the other viewpoint as much as FOX News.........ANY.....
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Geo
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