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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    If I know I'm planning on harvesting fish, I usually put 2 20lb bags of ice in my livewell. It turns into an ice water bath in about 30 minutes. That Ice water is the absolute best way to keep fish. Throwing them in the crazy cold water kills them pretty fast, and keeps them fresh for when I put them to the knife.
    We do the same. We use one or both live wells as fish boxes with ice in them for bluegill and crappie. Our boat has a built in cooler and we used that as a fish box one time without thinking. It turns out the cooler drains it's water into the bilge and the boat reeked of fish smell for several weeks afterwards. All ya gotta do with the live wells is pump the melted ice water out and rinse.
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    Taking release out of catch and release would be a loss to the fisheries without question. The very small percentage that was lost at that event was offset by the the much higher percentage of fish that were released, returned to enhance the population in opposition to another option, catch , weigh and eat. Keep in mind if a tournament wanted to they could allow double the limit now brought to the scales by allowing the legal limit per angler to be brought in, weigh and fillet. So there is no question the catch and release in a benefit as compared to some other options. Is care needed to be taken in the process, of course but that's old news, debated and decided decades ago. If one wanted to try and reach perfection one could make it law that any fish hooked but not landed, came free, broke line, no matter the reason, that fish could count toward your daily limit and it would without question enhance the fisheries. Now apply it to all species, crappie, cats, whites, hybrids, sounds crazy don't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 365allout View Post
    Taking release out of catch and release would be a loss to the fisheries without question. The very small percentage that was lost at that event was offset by the the much higher percentage of fish that were released, returned to enhance the population in opposition to another option, catch , weigh and eat. Keep in mind if a tournament wanted to they could allow double the limit now brought to the scales by allowing the legal limit per angler to be brought in, weigh and fillet. So there is no question the catch and release in a benefit as compared to some other options. Is care needed to be taken in the process, of course but that's old news, debated and decided decades ago. If one wanted to try and reach perfection one could make it law that any fish hooked but not landed, came free, broke line, no matter the reason, that fish could count toward your daily limit and it would without question enhance the fisheries. Now apply it to all species, crappie, cats, whites, hybrids, sounds crazy don't it?
    Yes it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 365allout View Post
    one could make it law that any fish hooked but not landed, came free, broke line, no matter the reason, that fish could count toward your daily limit and it would without question enhance the fisheries. Now apply it to all species, crappie, cats, whites, hybrids, sounds crazy don't it?
    So if something snaps your line, which fish species limit would it count against?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLP View Post
    So if something snaps your line, which fish species limit would it count against?
    I'd say Asian Carp, that way nobody would give *&$^ , lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 365allout View Post
    Taking release out of catch and release would be a loss to the fisheries without question. The very small percentage that was lost at that event was offset by the the much higher percentage of fish that were released, returned to enhance the population in opposition to another option, catch , weigh and eat. Keep in mind if a tournament wanted to they could allow double the limit now brought to the scales by allowing the legal limit per angler to be brought in, weigh and fillet. So there is no question the catch and release in a benefit as compared to some other options. Is care needed to be taken in the process, of course but that's old news, debated and decided decades ago. If one wanted to try and reach perfection one could make it law that any fish hooked but not landed, came free, broke line, no matter the reason, that fish could count toward your daily limit and it would without question enhance the fisheries. Now apply it to all species, crappie, cats, whites, hybrids, sounds crazy don't it?
    Justifing this by using percentages is laughable to me. Even if 3 times the amount of fish were released healthy it wouldn't change the fact that bushel baskets of bass were left floating in the lake. If the tournament let the anglers clean ALL the fish,KDFW would adjust bag limits.After all,tournament anglers are licensed fisherman and have a right to their catch. It's the WASTE that bothers me. They shouldn't have the right to wantonly waste the resource.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekrock View Post
    Justifing this by using percentages is laughable to me. Even if 3 times the amount of fish were released healthy it wouldn't change the fact that bushel baskets of bass were left floating in the lake. If the tournament let the anglers clean ALL the fish,KDFW would adjust bag limits.After all,tournament anglers are licensed fisherman and have a right to their catch. It's the WASTE that bothers me. They shouldn't have the right to wantonly waste the resource.
    the fish weren't wantonly wasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagikSmallie View Post
    the fish weren't wantonly wasted.
    “to intentionally waste something negligently or inappropriately.”
    I think it could be argued they knew or should have known that a large amount of fish would die given the circumstances and conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekrock View Post
    “to intentionally waste something negligently or inappropriately.”
    I think it could be argued they knew or should have known that a large amount of fish would die given the circumstances and conditions.
    But the term wanton means that the waste was intentional, which it was not, the intention which could be proven was to release the fish unharmed!

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    Legal Application of Intentional

    Quote Originally Posted by MagikSmallie View Post
    But the term wanton means that the waste was intentional, which it was not, the intention which could be proven was to release the fish unharmed!
    I shoulda' just left this alone.

    I attend an after work, office party. I very rarely drink. But this particular Friday signaled the end of a very stressful week. Its now dark. On the way home I fail to observe a pedestrian carrying a gas can on the side of the road. I strike & kill him. I can testify I didn't intend to drink more than one beer. I can testify I didn't intend on drving under the influence. I can honestly testify that I didn't intend on hitting the pedestrian. I'm charged with vehicular manslaughter. I spend 18 months in prison.

    No, it didn't happen to me, but this did happen to someone I know. Intentions may be honorable, but they don't count in the final compilation of events.

    I don't fish competitively. I fish for fun & for the healthy, delicious meals associated with a successful trip. I'm bothered with the photo of dead fish floating on the water. If, IF the Kentucky Fish & Wildlife department is left alone to exercise their professional knowledge on managing our lakes & fish for the general residents of KY, then I can live with that. I concentrate my fishing trips on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, & Thursdays.

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    With all due respect I find the comparison of someone killing another person while recklessly driving illegally over the limit to a fish dying after a sportsman legally catches it but instead of keeping chooses to release with the hopes and intentions that it would live just ridiculous. Sounds like some PETA talk and reasoning right there.

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    Analogy

    Quote Originally Posted by SLP View Post
    With all due respect I find the comparison of someone killing another person while recklessly driving illegally over the limit to a fish dying after a sportsman legally catches it but instead of keeping chooses to release with the hopes and intentions that it would live just ridiculous. Sounds like some PETA talk and reasoning right there.
    Wrong comparison. I was discussing intent / intentions. Regardless of the purity of one's intention, we're each responsible for our actions. I shoulda' left it alone.
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