Apple CEO needs to cooperate with the FBI or go to jail!

[GeoFisher]

I probably should have made that part of my post in another thread.

George. I'm hearing that the FBI would allow apple to make the code and break into the phone and then give the phone to the FBI and then apple would keep the software used to break into the phone.

I normally don't think that the FBI should be going around spying on everyone. But this case is different. The I Phone is owned by the County Government and they want the information in the phone given to the FBI. The court has looked at this case and sided with the FBI so far.

If we want to track the contacts of these two KNOWN Terrorist and Murders then Apple needs to step up and use their expertise to help the FBI.

This encryption stuff is what German used during WWII to make war against the allies. If we had not broke the German encryption machines we all would be speaking German and or Japanese or Italian instead of English.

We are at war with ISIS and if apple is not on our side then they are with the terrorist IMHO.

Maybe it's time for Congress to pass some new laws regarding these secrete software being used to help known terrorists.

I understand, but it is a slippery slope.......

Generally I support the government in these situations, and have for most of my life, but the Snowden and Manning cases are extremely concerning to me.

On one hand folks like you say I don't care and let them have the technology to break into it........and then on the the other hand, you bitch and complain when the feds want to POUND Manning and Snowden, and most recently Hillary into the ground for leaking sensitive material.

What do you want....you cannot have it both ways.

Governments have secrets, and there are things I don't care to know, and as a common member of our society, I don't NEED to know.

Just imagine for a minute.........Hillary Clinton is a senior member of the State Department. She gets briefed on soem technology component that we're going to use to TRACK DOWN and take out all terrorists. YOU know what...she was sharing that extremely sensitive information on a private network that was more than likely infiltrated by some extremely bad actors.

Yea, I know you and most liberals don't believe there is anything to the Hillary mess, but are YOU willing to take the risk.....

Personally the risk I"m talking about are very real if we give the FBI back doors into technology meant to keep things private.....

And don't kid yourself about doing things you're not supposed to do......Political groups have been using collected data over the past few decades to do very, very bad things.........Government or agencies of other governments could use that data very creatively.

I don't want the FBI or any group having any type of back door into my cell phone.......

Later,

Geo

[Moveon]

I understand, but it is a slippery slope.......

Generally I support the government in these situations, and have for most of my life, but the Snowden and Manning cases are extremely concerning to me.

On one hand folks like you say I don't care and let them have the technology to break into it........and then on the the other hand, you bitch and complain when the feds want to POUND Manning and Snowden, and most recently Hillary into the ground for leaking sensitive material.

What do you want....you cannot have it both ways.

Governments have secrets, and there are things I don't care to know, and as a common member of our society, I don't NEED to know.

Just imagine for a minute.........Hillary Clinton is a senior member of the State Department. She gets briefed on soem technology component that we're going to use to TRACK DOWN and take out all terrorists. YOU know what...she was sharing that extremely sensitive information on a private network that was more than likely infiltrated by some extremely bad actors.

Yea, I know you and most liberals don't believe there is anything to the Hillary mess, but are YOU willing to take the risk.....

Personally the risk I"m talking about are very real if we give the FBI back doors into technology meant to keep things private.....

And don't kid yourself about doing things you're not supposed to do......Political groups have been using collected data over the past few decades to do very, very bad things.........Government or agencies of other governments could use that data very creatively.

I don't want the FBI or any group having any type of back door into my cell phone.......

Later,

Geo

George. I don't want the FBI looking at your phone either. Not unless you are a terrorist and just killed multiple people in the USA and a court has found that your cell phone is evidence to your connections to other terrorist and (HERE IS THE KEY) had issued a Court Order for you to open the phone for the FBI to see who you were talking to before and after you shot a bunch of innocent people.

Now as to Snowden. That's more complicated. He should be tried for what he did and handled by a court and jury of his peers. He ran of to Russia of all places. God only knows what he told the Russians. But I'm glad that we found out about the blanket illegal surveillance going on. The only Government intrusions I am for are those that are approved by a judge in a court of law. Other than that we should be free from illegal search and seizers according to the Bill of Rights or the US Constitution. They need probable cause to obtain a warrant to search your property. Period IMHO>

We have to protect innocent people's privacy and still dig out and detect the bad guys and put them away in jail. That's a tough job.

As to Hillary. I said this before. Nothing that was sent to her on her private server was marked "Confidential". She did NOT send any confidential emails to anyone! If she were doing that I would want her to be accountable for that. I'm not that fond of Hillary myself. She is going after the gun owner and also the gun manufactures which turns me off. And I personally don't want a woman as our commander in chief. Like I said some where else I"m not sure I'm liking any of the candidates on either side this time. They are all telling us what they think we want to hear.

[GeoFisher]

As to Hillary. I said this before. Nothing that was sent to her on her private server was marked "Confidential". She did NOT send any confidential emails to anyone! If she were doing that I would want her to be accountable for that. I'm not that fond of Hillary myself. She is going after the gun owner and also the gun manufactures which turns me off. And I personally don't want a woman as our commander in chief. Like I said some where else I"m not sure I'm liking any of the candidates on either side this time. They are all telling us what they think we want to hear.

Actually she did.......

I posted the EXACT details earlier, but I guess you missed that...It is true that the State Department is reclassifying documentation, and I believe that is total BS....so I give her the benefit of the doubt there.

Now here is what you've seemed to have missed.

They are reclassifying multiple types of classified documentation. There are 4 basic classifications for documents:

* No classification
* Confidential
* Classified
* Top Secret

A bunch of her emails went from No classification to Confidential, and a significant few of her emails from from Confidential to CLASSIFIED.......

Now Hillary and the Press are lumping all the details together and there is in fact proof that most were not classified, just as there is proof that some went from Confidential to Classified. That is where she's in trouble, and I believe the FBI will be indicting her.

There is also significant detailed information that some of the emails were from SAP programs that were TOP SECRET.

Now, where Hillary might "skate" is in the details. Hillary insists that she never saw Classified or Top Secret stuff, Yet there is proof that she did. There is also proof that her aides also saw Classified and Top Secret stuff, and that is where it gets sticky, because none of them had clearance, and the fact that she passed or allowed them to use her email is a big freaking deal.

It is not a fishing expedition, and I believe we're getting some answers.

I honestly hope to know.......but I'm afraid we may never know the truth....

THAT is what you should be more concerned with. Her entire staff is involved with some extremely secretive information, and unfortunately the Russians , North Koreans, and Chinese, along with ISIS and ISIL probably have information they should have never been able to obtain..........and it all leads to a paper trail to the staff of Hillary Clinton. If that doesn't make you extremely, EXTREMELY mad, then you really need to re evaluate just what you believe in.

Again, It is not an expedition and to think or say it is makes me sick.

[Moveon]

I think most Secretary of States see all types of information. That is their job. But Hillary never did SEND any emails from her personal server that were classifed or marked classifed or top secrete. She had more secure methods to communicate those type of messages.

She was not responsible for people sending her emails on her server that were not marked as classifed or top secrete!

George this reminds me of the GOP going after Hillary when she was Secretary of State when the embassy in Libya was attacked. How many hearing and how much time did the GOP waste on Hillary?

As Bernie Said. ENOUGH WITH THE EMAILS TALK!

Hillary didn't do anything wrong. Hell the former GOP Secretary of State went to the UN and Lied about weapons of mass destruction to the entire world and no one is railing about that anymore.

Give it a break man. No one would care about Hillary if she were not running for the Presidency. I don't care much for her but man I'm starting to feel sorry for her.

Actually she did.......

I posted the EXACT details earlier, but I guess you missed that...It is true that the State Department is reclassifying documentation, and I believe that is total BS....so I give her the benefit of the doubt there.

Now here is what you've seemed to have missed.

They are reclassifying multiple types of classified documentation. There are 4 basic classifications for documents:

* No classification
* Confidential
* Classified
* Top Secret

A bunch of her emails went from No classification to Confidential, and a significant few of her emails from from Confidential to CLASSIFIED.......

Now Hillary and the Press are lumping all the details together and there is in fact proof that most were not classified, just as there is proof that some went from Confidential to Classified. That is where she's in trouble, and I believe the FBI will be indicting her.

There is also significant detailed information that some of the emails were from SAP programs that were TOP SECRET.

Now, where Hillary might "skate" is in the details. Hillary insists that she never saw Classified or Top Secret stuff, Yet there is proof that she did. There is also proof that her aides also saw Classified and Top Secret stuff, and that is where it gets sticky, because none of them had clearance, and the fact that she passed or allowed them to use her email is a big freaking deal.

It is not a fishing expedition, and I believe we're getting some answers.

I honestly hope to know.......but I'm afraid we may never know the truth....

THAT is what you should be more concerned with. Her entire staff is involved with some extremely secretive information, and unfortunately the Russians , North Koreans, and Chinese, along with ISIS and ISIL probably have information they should have never been able to obtain..........and it all leads to a paper trail to the staff of Hillary Clinton. If that doesn't make you extremely, EXTREMELY mad, then you really need to re evaluate just what you believe in.

Again, It is not an expedition and to think or say it is makes me sick.

[GeoFisher]

I think most Secretary of States see all types of information. That is their job. But Hillary never did SEND any emails from her personal server that were classifed or marked classifed or top secrete. She had more secure methods to communicate those type of messages.

She was not responsible for people sending her emails on her server that were not marked as classifed or top secrete!

George this reminds me of the GOP going after Hillary when she was Secretary of State when the embassy in Libya was attacked. How many hearing and how much time did the GOP waste on Hillary?

As Bernie Said. ENOUGH WITH THE EMAILS TALK!

Hillary didn't do anything wrong. Hell the former GOP Secretary of State went to the UN and Lied about weapons of mass destruction to the entire world and no one is railing about that anymore.

Give it a break man. No one would care about Hillary if she were not running for the Presidency. I don't care much for her but man I'm starting to feel sorry for her.

Are you serious..........

you still MISSED the main issue.....the email WAS marked classified, and her personnel on her staff handling it without clearance is a violation of federal law......

Don't whitewash this. This is the kind of crap that really chaps my can with LEFTISTS.

There is evidence, yet you simply refuse to see the evidence.

And don't even get me started on Libya. If you follow the information there, her actions are responsible for many, many deaths.

You go on and believe what you want......It is a foolish mans game, but go ahead...

I honestly don't know why I even try........

[kygorski]

WE DONT KNOW WHAT WE WANT. Remember Ellesberg? the initial whistle blower?We want government transparacy, and when we get it, we prosecute the messenger. We want police protection, but not their "right" to search and siezure. We want freedom of the press, but I'm sick of scenes of reporters, gathering like flys around a turd, and trying people in the press and ignoring the rights of trial.And you cant have freedom of the press when a few individuals gain control of the media.We love to bitch.

[Moveon]

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;553305]Are you serious..........
. This is the kind of crap that really chaps my can with LEFTISTS.

There is evidence, yet you simply refuse to see the evidence.

I have not seen any credible evidence that any of those emails on Hillary's Private Serve were marked Classified at the time she first received them.

What I heard and read is that they are later relabeled after the fact.

So your facts have no credibility IMHO.

[GeoFisher]

[QUOTE=Moveon;553320]

Are you serious..........
. This is the kind of crap that really chaps my can with LEFTISTS.

There is evidence, yet you simply refuse to see the evidence.

I have not seen any credible evidence that any of those emails on Hillary's Private Serve were marked Classified at the time she first received them.

What I heard and read is that they are later relabeled after the fact.

So your facts have no credibility IMHO.

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Clinton did sign a Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement, in which she pledged to safeguard classified information whether “marked or unmarked classified information, including oral communications,” as defined by Executive Order 12958. (That was later superseded by Executive Order 13526.)

Interestingly, in that executive order, the secretary of state is given the authority to classify and declassify information at the “top secret” level. In other words, Clinton had presidential authority to decide what State Department information was classified or not.
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As the saga has dragged on, Clinton’s terminology has become ever more nuanced. When she first discussed her private-email arrangement in detail last March, her staff distributed a Q&A that flatly stated that no classified material was sent or received by Clinton at her private email address. Now she says the emails were not marked classified:

'When you receive information, of course, there has to be some markings, some indication that someone down the chain thought that this was classified and that was not the case.'

"

She mishandled classified information and her staff mishandled classified information.

The fact that you want to give her a pass on that is quite sad.

[Moveon]

Obama can see the most classified information as President of the USA. As such he knows what's suppose to be secrete and what's not. Hillary, our next President will have the same powers.

George you need to state your sources of your information on those Executive Orders. Hilary never disclosed any classified information to people who were not suppose to see it.

You and your GOP Thugs have been trying to slander Hillary every since she held office. Even when her husband was the President you guys were throwing mud at her and bill. It's was obvious to me when you guys claimed that she and Billed killed one of their best friends. And during the impeachment proceedings which ended in FAILURE for the GOP.

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;553321]

"
Clinton did sign a Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement, in which she pledged to safeguard classified information whether “marked or unmarked classified information, including oral communications,” as defined by Executive Order 12958. (That was later superseded by Executive Order 13526.)

Interestingly, in that executive order, the secretary of state is given the authority to classify and declassify information at the “top secret” level. In other words, Clinton had presidential authority to decide what State Department information was classified or not.
"

"
As the saga has dragged on, Clinton’s terminology has become ever more nuanced. When she first discussed her private-email arrangement in detail last March, her staff distributed a Q&A that flatly stated that no classified material was sent or received by Clinton at her private email address. Now she says the emails were not marked classified:

'When you receive information, of course, there has to be some markings, some indication that someone down the chain thought that this was classified and that was not the case.'

"

She mishandled classified information and her staff mishandled classified information.

The fact that you want to give her a pass on that is quite sad.

[Moveon]

http://www.courierpress.com/business...69443682.xhtml

Wondering why Apple helped the FBI hack into their I phones in the past but not now? Now apple is appealing the Judges order to help the FBI get the information off the terrorist Iphone.

Before there were 9 Supreme Court Justices that would support the FBI. Now today there are only 8 Justices. Maybe the CEO of apple thinks that the lower courts will side with him and the SCOTUS will not be a factor in this case of tracking down Terrorists.

Another example of the GOP obstructing our government and trying to tear this country apart.

Funny that Obama is vetting a GOP Governor as a possible nominee to the US Supreme Court. Will McConnell still sit on his hands and not do anything to move the process forward. McConnell should be removed from office for his failure to act and his threats.