Chinese Threat in the South China Sea building

[Moveon]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03...china-sea.html

Interesting read here if you are into military and political national confrontations at sea.

Could this be the beginning of a war with China both militarily and economically?

What would you do if you were the President of the USA and found out that China was putting jet fighters and surface to air/surface missile on these newly built islands in the South China Sea. Huge amounts of trade flows though these disputed waters and the Chinese intend to control this area with military might.

Mean while the USS Air Craft Carrier and it's escorts are sailing in the South China Sea. Who will blink first or who will fire fire.

These islands are man mad and under normal conditions they are mere reefs or shoals that used to be under water at high tide in this area. The Chinese have been dredging sand and building up these small reefs and making island there. Then they build a concrete runway on the islands and now have put Chinese Fighter Jets on these runways along with missile.

IMHO the Chinese are trying to squeeze the USA out of this area. This could be very dangerous for both sides really soon or it could blow over. But someone is going to back down and I hope it's the Chinese. But I don't think that they are thinking that way. No the Chinese have shown in the past that they are not going to back down from the USA. They have been building missiles that can knock out our GPS satellites from space and they are copying our latest fighter jet technology (F35) and are building new Aircraft Carries and modernizing their submarine fleet.

The world is getting smaller and more dangerous every day. It's not just the increase in Russian submarine activity in the North Atlantic and the Med but the Chinese are not getting more active in the Oceans.

[Moveon]

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/12/...e-philippines/

The US Military is building up more resources in the Philippines as a counter to increased Chinese intervention with other nations rights in the South China Sea. China has been hassling other nations fishing vessels around the disputed South China Sea Islands.

This area is getting a lot of increased military activity these days.

[Moveon]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/politi...sea/index.html

[Moveon]

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/u-s-co...icial-islands/

[Moveon]

The USA is sending three B2 Stealth Bombers to the South China Sea as a show of force to both North Korea and China as the North Koreans brag about being able to put nuclear war heads on their ballistic missiles. And as the Chinese continue to militarize the newly build sand islands in the South China Sea.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/10/politi...fic/index.html

I also read where we are sending some Ballistic Missile interceptor missile batteries to the area. Both Korea and China are upset about this news. These interceptor type missiles are able to shoot down Chinese or North Korean Intercontinental missiles out of the sky by hitting them in mid flight and using connect energy to destroy the missile.

If you are not concerned about what's going on in the South China Sea from the Northern End to the Southern end then you need to wake up ans start paying attention to what is going on there.

We have a USN Carrier Task force sailing in the South China Sea as I type this.

Also the Philippines are signaling the USA that they may be able to start using Sonic Bay once again to stage US troops and resources there as a hedge to counter the growing threat of China in the area.

[kygorski]

I'm not worried about china declaring their own "monroe doctrine". Theywant to protect their shipping routes. I think that most commerce comes from china, and much of it goes where?

[GeoFisher]

I'm not worried about china declaring their own "monroe doctrine". Theywant to protect their shipping routes. I think that most commerce comes from china, and much of it goes where?

This is not about protecting shipping routes. It is about projecting POWER.

[kygorski]

A show of power.Of course it is, and they are not the first to do it. We are still choking on the middle east, and now some are beating the war drums again.One of the reasons were in debt up to our noses is being the world police force.And it's a volenteer police force, remember that. When the benefits of that system become so lean, what if it goes away?

[Moveon]

A show of power.Of course it is, and they are not the first to do it. We are still choking on the middle east, and now some are beating the war drums again.One of the reasons were in debt up to our noses is being the world police force.And it's a volenteer police force, remember that. When the benefits of that system become so lean, what if it goes away?

I've been thinking about this a lot lately as you can tell by all my posts about this South China Sea business.

You two are right it's about Power. Power to control the open Oceans. Since WWII the USA has been the dominate naval power in the world. But that's been changing ever since the ink dried on the surrender papers.

Russia has built up their navy since the end of WWII. They have recently been sending our more submarines into the world's oceans. And their air force has been flying and probing NATO"s boundaries as they did before the end of the Cold War.

Now China is building Aircraft Carriers with the money that we send to them while we run up a deficit. China is adding new nuclear submarines that have the ability to launch ICBM from the subs. They are growing their navy faster than ever.

We have agreements with Japan and the Philippines to protect them if they are attacked. We were thrown out of the Philippines and Japan has been wanting to get rid of our nuclear forces from their territory in the past. But they are more afraid of the Rise of the Chinese than they are of the USA. So now the Philippines have changed course and their supreme court recently voted to allow the USA to occupy some of the old military bases in the Philippines.

China is telling other countries including the USA that they can't fly or sail near their newly developed Island which are in International Waters. The Chinese are pushing out the other countries such as the Philippine fishermen and the Vietnamese fishermen to claiming all this new territory.

I'd be ok if the Chinese just used these new islands for civilian purposes but they are adding long range surface to air missile batteries and high tech radars on these islands which are thousands of miles away from main land china.

We still protect Taiwan with mutual aid agreements as China has threatened to invade Taiwan. We are pledged to protect the island of Taiwan.

Now I can see the point of not wanting to be the world's Police force. But who's going to stop other big countries like China as they expand their influence and push out other smaller countries in order to gobble up precious oil and natural resource that are abundant in the South China Sea? We are the only one capable of stopping China.

Now as to why we should stop China. If we don't stop them in the South China Sea they will take it over without a fight. But they will want more. They always to. Hitler promised he would stop after he took over the countries of Austria but he went on to invade Poland and other countries. He went after France, Holland and then attacked Russia and the British Isles. It took a World War to stop Hitler. And a Cold War to keep Russia from gobbling up Western Europe. Russia has invaded and taken over Southern Ukraine's Chimera.. This gives the Russians a year round warmer water port to the worlds Oceans. Now they are invading Syria and have established naval bases and air bases there complete with advanced surface to air missile batteries.

If we don't fight them over there we may end up fighting them over hear. To me this could be a valid argument.

I'd much rather see China contained to mainland China and not out in force roaming and trying to control the Worlds Oceans. To me that's our job. I'm very pro military and want a strong military which included a strong navy that is in control of the oceans. I'd rather see America doing that job that some other communist country like China or the Russians.

If we don't' maintain a strong military presence in the South China Sea the Chinese will. The Chinese want the entire sausage but they are smart enough to know not to take the entire sausage at one time. No they are taking slices off the sausage a little bit at a time. But before long they will have the entire sausage without even firing a shot.

I just read something yesterday and it made me stop and think. I'm not sure who said it or if it was true. But it was a story about a Chinese coast guard vessel going along side one of the 100 of small islands in the South China Sea and shooting civilian's that were on the island that was claimed by Vietnam. You see these small islands are claimed by multiple countries not just China. China is trying to pull a "Monroe Doctrine" in territory owned by others and if they get by with this who's next? If the story is true then China is the aggressor nation and needs to be stopped IMHO.

Diplomacy is not working so the US Military will have to use force if necessary.

[kygorski]

You want a military solution to a threat far from our shores? then petition [waste of time] congress to reinststute the draft. I'm sick and tired of police the world idea, it isn't working. You can't jam democracy down someones throat with a bayonet, it comes from whit in. First lets FIX america,and let the world fix world problems.By the way, none of these things will happen. Homo sapiens, lords of the universe, only flys mosquitos, and germs can kill us.

[Moveon]

You want a military solution to a threat far from our shores? then petition [waste of time] congress to reinststute the draft. I'm sick and tired of police the world idea, it isn't working. You can't jam democracy down someones throat with a bayonet, it comes from whit in. First lets FIX america,and let the world fix world problems.By the way, none of these things will happen. Homo sapiens, lords of the universe, only flys mosquitos, and germs can kill us.

It takes a Russian Submarine launched ballistic missile only 15 minutes to reach our shores. Your thinking is Pre WWII type thinking.

I'm not saying to force democracy on anyone. But I am saying we should prevent anyone else from jamming their way of life on others.

If we don't stay the policemen of the world then someone else will and I'd bet that you won't like that much either.

I understand the "Isolationist" view point but the world is a much smaller place these days. We didn't have super sonics jets and ballistic missiles on nuclear powered submarine in the 20th Century.

And you forgot cockroaches in your analog. Because after we destroy ourselves with nuclear weapons some day only the lowly cockroach and a few rats will survive.

You don't think that we should challenge China's power grab in the South China Sea when they have never been there before but we have? Obama and the US Government doesn't think that China has the right to setup an "EXCLUSION" zone in that area. You are aware that the Chinese on these islands are telling our pilots and our sailors to keep out of the area. China has no right to tell us what to do in international waters. These reefs are underwater at high tide and not recognized as Chinese territory by anyone but the Chinese.

We are baiting the Chinese to do some thing and start a shooting war but I seriously don't think that the Chinese will fall for the bait. They know that we can't stay there for very long and after we leave the area they can resume their control over these islands and thus the entire area around these islands.

Do you also think that we should have stayed home and not gone after Japan after Pearl Harbor? The Japanese were doing the same thing to us back in 1941. They were trying to keep the USA out of the Pacific as well as the British. We won't make that mistake again.

I will always want our country to have the best military in the world. Knowing how mankind is the Chinese or anyone else that gets too powerful will push further towards our shores if we let them. It may take them a while if we don't act but eventually if we don't counter their aggression and lies they will come for us.

I use to run software firewall that would show me the IP address and location of anyone sending data packets to my computer. Most of the data packets were from China. They were trying to hack into my computer. I made the mistake of talking about a relative who was in the navy and pretty high up. I figured that the Chinese thought they could find out about my friend though me and were doing their best to hack into my computer. This was many years ago. The funny thing is that nothing on my computer has anything to do with my friend and his work for the navy. But they didn't know that. Why else would I get hundreds of data packets sent to my computer from China.

Note: the Chinese stole the plans for our F35 fighter from one of our military contractors and have built a copy of it already. Russian and China are constantly probing our computer networks trying to get intel.

[waterdog101]

A show of power.Of course it is, and they are not the first to do it. We are still choking on the middle east, and now some are beating the war drums again.One of the reasons were in debt up to our noses is being the world police force.And it's a volenteer police force, remember that. When the benefits of that system become so lean, what if it goes away?

I've read where we spent over 4 TRILLION dollars in the middle east trying to change the lives of those folks, and it is as bad now or worse, than it was before we started trying to make changes over there. those millionaires in washington, wouldn't be so fast to stick there noses, in every little hot spot around the globe, if their sons and daughters wore the combat boots, like the poor folks kids do. those rich guys came up with the idea of a volunteer military, and paying the kids that volunteer, to do the fighting. they new there would be enough poor kids needing money, that they would volunteer and there rich sons and daughters, would be safe from having to strap on any combat boots. I wonder how large their volunteer military would be, if there was no pay that went with it, I think they should bring back the Draft, and let washingtons millionaires worry about their sons/grandsons and daughters draft number being called, then they would be slower to anger.