some people want to be in a group and rely on each other for all their needs and wants. the other side is self reliant and only gets support from family or very close friends. they pay for what they want and won't take handouts. when someone figures out how each side can pay for only the stuff they want, then both sides will be happy. each side will contribute taxes for the stuff they want covered but must live on what the group provides. a few things like national security could be taxed from both sides. the problem arises when the socialists want the self sufficient producers to pay for the socialist's goodies. socialism has always failed. it destroys the desire and ability to get ahead. ever study history about what happened to former great nations? to me, it would be a very boring life just coasting along, living in the herd, no better or worse than the next clown. talk about drudgery!!! so you 2 groupies can keep on trolling all you want. i'd rather die than live your way.