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[dragmerc]

just trying to gain knowledge from the wizards here...
what does north korea hope to gain from all these threats?
what do they want?

[kygorski]

How about 40000+ american troops sitting across from them? How would you feel if mexico asked china to send several divisions to our border to stop immigrants from crossing back and forth. Why hasn't there been a greater push by the UN for unification of the korean penisular? What happened when the germanys were united, there was termoil, still is in some part, but it happened. Beware of forigen [forgive the spelling] entanglements. Those words came from some of our earliest leaders. We ignored them.Weve been on this "nation building" kick for over 40 years, what has it gained US. Now we have a bunch of arab states trying to boycott Quatar, gee do you think that maybe the fact that it's our largest military out post in that part of the middle east. So how come it's now on the verge of being isolated, except by us. I'm proud of my service tour, 29 months in germany, the marshall plan helped rebuild part of europe, and were letting our country hang in the breeze. OK war hawks, if our military is so **** good, why havn't we won a war since 1965? The thought of british troops being quartered in private residences, was a contributing factor to the war of indepence, are we so smug, that we don't believe other nations could feel that way? It pisses me off to see hundreds of undocumented workers here, and more on the way.

[GeoFisher]

just trying to gain knowledge from the wizards here...
what does north korea hope to gain from all these threats?
what do they want?

Money.......they have ZERO economic ability.

They blackmailed Clinton, tried with Bush, succeeded with Obama....

They are flexing in an attempt to get money from the West. I suspect we will be hearing soon about a plan to dismantle their nuke program and their missile program.

I say NOPE.

While I don't want a protracted war or anything else in that region, this latest whack job in NK is CRAZY....much more worse than his grand daddy and daddy. I hope Russia and China step up and tap down their rhetoric.

the 15-0 vote by the UN Security Council Helps, but not enough.

And I will say this.....we would absolutely destroy north korea, but the costs would be unreal . Trillions of dollars in costs, million of civilian lives, hundreds of thousands of American lives, and Japan and South Korea will pay a heavy, heavy toll.

And let's not forget, NK just might be crazy enough to use NUKES, which would create a definite regional nuclear issue.

Later,

Geo

[GeoFisher]

OK war hawks, if our military is so **** good, why havn't we won a war since 1965?

Quite simple.....Politicians.

And it is a lot further than 1965.

* Eisenhower stopped Douglas MacArthur from the military objectives in North Korea. Which is why we have NORTH KOREA. That was a effed up political decision.

* Rules of engagement in Viet Nam and the inability to DESTROY their military targets lead to a prolonged engagement there. Again, Politics. Targeting silly ass bridges not on supply chains and not destroying their factories, is why Vietnam took so long. Carpet Bombing and LineBacker II brought them back to the negotiating table, and ended the Vietnam conflict.

* Rules of engagement in the Gulf War. George Bush had a political mandate from the UN, and instead of saying EFF the UN, he stopped short of destroying Saddam. In hindsight, that was a mistake, and while I applaud Bush for following the Mandate, I believe the UN was wrong, and Saddam should have been obliterated. That lead to Gulf War II.

* Rules of engagement and politics in Gulf War II. Obama got elected on a promise, and he fulfilled his POLITICAL promise, and our war fighters came home. 17 years later, we're still in the shitholes of Afghanistan and IRAQ.

Yea......get POLITICS out of war fighting, and MAGA.......No one is skared of the United States military might......we go in, destroy **** for a while and leave. We need to go in, Destroy **** completely and put out the ashes....then rebuild it. Like we did with Japan, like we did with Germany.

[kygorski]

Since when has war been an engagement that leaves the victor to rebuild the damage? that is military intelligence. Weve been at rebuilding Iraq for who knows how long? Was that the plan? What did we gain out of that folly, corruption that was even greater than before saddam. War lords in trashcanistan who have become even wealthier with american cash. But I guess thats the way we do things.After our civil war, after abe called for unity, and compassion, guess who arrived to take over the spoils, We called them carpet baggers, folks who profit from the misery of others.Maybe it's an american trait. You guys remember what ronnie said? beware of the guy who says I'm from the government and I want to help you. Well weve exported that theme. Except we added a wrinkle to it. Were here to help you at OUR expense.

[Moveon]

just trying to gain knowledge from the wizards here...
what does north korea hope to gain from all these threats?
what do they want?

I'm not sure what the little man wants. I'm sure he is scare when he looks at all the military equipment and men that he has stirred up against him. He probably wants the same thing that Russia wanted when they stole the A bomb Secrets from the USA and built their own A Bomb and missiles. Remember after WWII the Russians captured some of the German Scientists that worked on the V2 Rockets. We got Vann Brawn and they got some of his coworkers. That allow them to develop the missiles into intercontinental missile. I guess the Chinese got the plans for the A bomb for the USA or Russia. No one else had Atomic Bombs back then. And my guess is that China gave NK the plans for the bombs and the missiles. China wants to keep NK as a buffer land between them and South Korea and the USA. And the missiles that North Korea has look very similar to those made by the Chinese. It's China that we should be wary of not NK. We should tell China that any attack on the USA from NK would be considered an attack by China on the USA and that we will respond in kind and attack both NK and their handlers China. I bet that's what our response is planned to do right now. Our Military already has plans for China if they were to attack the USA.

One thing we need to do is produce and build more attack submarines. As the greatest threat to the USA is the enemy nuclear equipped missile boats/subs. Our Seawolf and Virgina class subs will have to hunt them down and follow them and take them out before they can launch their ballistic missiles.

[kygorski]

HS Truman was the one who fired macarther. We were ar soldier field in chicago for one of his farewell tours.We were at the yalu river, and mac wanted to cross. I should have said our family was at soldier field. My step father was a career soldier who was one of many who served under mac. But that was then and this is now! I remember waiting for the engagement with the russian ship carrying missle parts to cuba. This is not the same thing.Now we have more nuculear equipt nations. It could be the domino thing. knock one down, and we wont need to worry about global warming.

[GeoFisher]

HS Truman was the one who fired macarther. We were ar soldier field in chicago for one of his farewell tours.We were at the yalu river, and mac wanted to cross. I should have said our family was at soldier field. My step father was a career soldier who was one of many who served under mac. But that was then and this is now! I remember waiting for the engagement with the russian ship carrying missle parts to cuba. This is not the same thing.Now we have more nuculear equipt nations. It could be the domino thing. knock one down, and we wont need to worry about global warming.

Man, how did I get that wrong . Absolutely right who fired Mac.

Brain FART..

[Moveon]

Man I'll drink to that one! Yea it was Truman the little dirt farmer who stood up to Mac and stopped him for a while. But remember that Mac did cross or get close to the Yellow River which is what sent the Chinese into the War Big time. They push the US forces back to the xx parallel and that was where the Truce was declared. We technically are still at War with China and North Korea in the Peninsula. China is much stronger now than they were back then. IMHO. They now have nuclear bombs and missiles with nuclear bombs attached to them.