Quote Originally Posted by kygorski View Post
Germany would never have defeated russia with out help, BUT that help was material..Napolean tried, and lost, Hitler would have done the same thing.They almost had two armies tied up in russia, and were losing men by the thousands.Russia wasn't and isn't invincible, they lost to japan, couldn't beat finland and got their asses handed to them by afganistan.Theres a common thread here, the home team always in the end WINS.Soon the GUESTS wake up and find there is nothing of any value in that country.
Well you're pretty right about Russia and the home field. Germany underestimated Russia. Russia used the winter to help defeat the Nazi. But remember that the USA didn't enter Normandy (Western Europe) until June of 1944. Half of the German Army was sitting in Western Europe while the other half was trying to battle with Russia since about 1942 or maybe it was 1941. Many battles on the Eastern Front were not really reported to the Western Folks. I learned a lot about those battle in my later years. I certainly was never taught about in School.

Russia wanted the USA to attack Hitler much sooner and had to fight the Nazi all alone. They did a pretty good job of that. They moved almost all there factories to the East and set them back up out of reach of the Nazi Blitz and then built the T37 tank and counter attacked the German's in the Heart of the Worst Russian Winter in a long time. The Nazi troops were ill prepared to fight in the cold. So you are right in that the Russian home field helped them win as did it when the French attacked Russia many years in the past. Napoleon meet the Russian winter as well and he was defeated too.