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    Quote Originally Posted by jcb View Post
    I'm curious what data or evidence leads you to this conclusion. We have (like you said) a tough situation. Pretty soon we'll have 400K dead and it's hard not to believe it'll be a half million or more before we're done. What leads you to believe the precautions/lockdowns/slow the spread efforts haven't had any impact on the spread or number of deaths? Do you think the numbers would be what they are if we didn't do any of those things?
    I’m guessing you missed all the governors today ,including NY’s , say it was time to open back up. We are still setting records everyday and cases did rise after mask mandates. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone claim that lockdowns work.

    One problem is the spreaders, take for instance the positive liberal lawmaker that broke quarantine so she could vote for pelosi as speaker. They undoubtedly spread it to many other lawmakers who then unknowingly spread it to others.
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    If I had my way I would shut down more not less.

    Quote Originally Posted by TimE View Post
    I’m guessing you missed all the governors today ,including NY’s , say it was time to open back up. We are still setting records everyday and cases did rise after mask mandates. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone claim that lockdowns work.

    One problem is the spreaders, take for instance the positive liberal lawmaker that broke quarantine so she could vote for pelosi as speaker. They undoubtedly spread it to many other lawmakers who then unknowingly spread it to others.
    We all know that the virus spread when we get too close together so we need to keep our distance from each other. That is impossible to do without shutting down.

    I wonder how Stripernut is doing also. I hope he is recovering

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimE View Post
    I’m guessing you missed all the governors today ,including NY’s , say it was time to open back up. We are still setting records everyday and cases did rise after mask mandates. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone claim that lockdowns work.

    One problem is the spreaders, take for instance the positive liberal lawmaker that broke quarantine so she could vote for pelosi as speaker. They undoubtedly spread it to many other lawmakers who then unknowingly spread it to others.
    yep, the governors realize the financial impact of shuttign it all down. Hell Cuomo said there will be nothing to start back up if they don't get their **** together........He's RIGHT.......There has to be a real discussion about the total economic destruction of the UNILATERAL shutdowns. And New York will never recover. They are militant already and have some of the highest taxes in teh country. On top of that , most of their major businesses are moving headquarters, and tens of thousands of millionaires have left. YEP New York is effed.

    CRAZY.

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    What is the financial impact of anohter 500,000 dead

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    yep, the governors realize the financial impact of shuttign it all down. Hell Cuomo said there will be nothing to start back up if they don't get their **** together........He's RIGHT.......There has to be a real discussion about the total economic destruction of the UNILATERAL shutdowns. And New York will never recover. They are militant already and have some of the highest taxes in teh country. On top of that , most of their major businesses are moving headquarters, and tens of thousands of millionaires have left. YEP New York is effed.

    CRAZY.

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    Geo
    Shut it down for a few weeks until everyone can get the vaccination. If you don't wear a mask and get the vaccinations millions more people will be dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    Shut it down for a few weeks until everyone can get the vaccination. If you don't wear a mask and get the vaccinations millions more people will be dead.
    You obviously have ZERO clue about distribution , logistics, and time.

    It won't be a few weeks. We will not vaccinate the majority of people in America until the Fall. So, you're saying shut it all down till the Fall?

    I mean, be very CLEAR..........state your position. We are vaccinating 500,000 a day. At that rate we need 600 days.....

    So either you're pretty ill informed about stuff, an antagonist, or just an IDIOT.

    YOU CHOOSE.

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    Keeping everyone separated for 2 weeks breaks the chain

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    You obviously have ZERO clue about distribution , logistics, and time.

    It won't be a few weeks. We will not vaccinate the majority of people in America until the Fall. So, you're saying shut it all down till the Fall?

    I mean, be very CLEAR..........state your position. We are vaccinating 500,000 a day. At that rate we need 600 days.....

    So either you're pretty ill informed about stuff, an antagonist, or just an IDIOT.

    YOU CHOOSE.

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    You are not seeing the forest for the trees

    The vaccine is not our only tool. The Chinese used lockdowns to stop the spread of the virus in Wuhan and even larger provinces in China. Other countries like Korea used masks and separation to shut the virus down. They didn't even have a vaccine back then. So you missed the point. The vaccine is just icing on the cake. I got my 1st Pfizer vaccine shot yesterday. I didn't get the virus by staying away from other people who might have the virus and wearing a mask anytime I had to be near other people. I made it over 13 months without getting the virus and didn't get the vaccine until yesterday. And I will continue to stay away from other people and wear a mask even after I get the second vaccine shot and get immunity 10 days from that date. The vaccine does not mean you can't still acquire the virus and spread it to others. So we will still be required to wear a mask and social distance to stop the spread of the virus. The companies that make the virus is trying to prove that the vaccine stops one from getting the virus and spreading it to others but right now they only know that it's 95% effective in stopping the virus from infecting you where you are symptomatic. So you can still be infected and not symptomatic and not even know you are infected even after getting the vaccine.

    The best way to not get the virus is to stay away from other people and or animals that can carry and spread the virus.

    Lots of small companies and even large companies shut down for 2 weeks every year without any harm to the company. Trump was the most dangerous person in the USA this past year. His treatment of the virus was what caused him to lose to Biden.


    Geo you have a lot to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moveon View Post
    You are not seeing the forest for the trees

    The vaccine is not our only tool. The Chinese used lockdowns to stop the spread of the virus in Wuhan and even larger provinces in China. Other countries like Korea used masks and separation to shut the virus down. They didn't even have a vaccine back then. So you missed the point. The vaccine is just icing on the cake. I got my 1st Pfizer vaccine shot yesterday. I didn't get the virus by staying away from other people who might have the virus and wearing a mask anytime I had to be near other people. I made it over 13 months without getting the virus and didn't get the vaccine until yesterday. And I will continue to stay away from other people and wear a mask even after I get the second vaccine shot and get immunity 10 days from that date. The vaccine does not mean you can't still acquire the virus and spread it to others. So we will still be required to wear a mask and social distance to stop the spread of the virus. The companies that make the virus is trying to prove that the vaccine stops one from getting the virus and spreading it to others but right now they only know that it's 95% effective in stopping the virus from infecting you where you are symptomatic. So you can still be infected and not symptomatic and not even know you are infected even after getting the vaccine.

    The best way to not get the virus is to stay away from other people and or animals that can carry and spread the virus.

    Lots of small companies and even large companies shut down for 2 weeks every year without any harm to the company. Trump was the most dangerous person in the USA this past year. His treatment of the virus was what caused him to lose to Biden.


    Geo you have a lot to learn.

    Shut it down for a few weeks until everyone can get the vaccination. If you don't wear a mask and get the vaccinations millions more people will be dead.


    THAT is what you said.....I responded to WHAT you said......

    And very very few companies shut down for 2 weeks every year. The ones that do plan for that, and can then restart quite easily afterwards.

    The entire supply chain in our economic engine is being rogered by massive and IGNORANT lockdowns.

    It is basic, economics.....even a caveman can see that.

    Later,

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    Cavemen didn't understand viruses.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post

    Shut it down for a few weeks until everyone can get the vaccination. If you don't wear a mask and get the vaccinations millions more people will be dead.


    THAT is what you said.....I responded to WHAT you said......

    And very very few companies shut down for 2 weeks every year. The ones that do plan for that, and can then restart quite easily afterwards.

    The entire supply chain in our economic engine is being rogered by massive and IGNORANT lockdowns.

    It is basic, economics.....even a caveman can see that.

    Later,

    Geo
    Even a caveman would do a better job as President than Donald J Trump did.

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    I will no longer respond to MoveON

    I challenge all others to do the same. He has no interest in conversation or debate.

    He actually NEVER has be interested in conversation or debate.

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    Better yet stop spreading lies and misinformation

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    I challenge all others to do the same. He has no interest in conversation or debate.

    He actually NEVER has be interested in conversation or debate.

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    Geo, you need to stop spreading the Right-Wing Trump lies and misinformation. There is nothing to debate with you when you start off with blatant lies and misinformation. I have plenty of interest in debating the facts but you don't get to make up the facts. Facts are facts and lies are just lies. When you come up with this crap about the SCOTUS and cases that don't exist then you might as well not try to talk to me about that kind of crap.

    BTW: Never say never as that will set you up for Great Failure!

    Trump is having a big party tonight at Mar Largo and you all are invited. LOL Drag is selling tickets at his place.

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    Stop the spread and isolate anyone who has the virus from us

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
    You obviously have ZERO clue about distribution , logistics, and time.

    It won't be a few weeks. We will not vaccinate the majority of people in America until the Fall. So, you're saying shut it all down till the Fall?

    I mean, be very CLEAR..........state your position. We are vaccinating 500,000 a day. At that rate we need 600 days.....

    So either you're pretty ill informed about stuff, an antagonist, or just an IDIOT.

    YOU CHOOSE.

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    Geo
    Just take those that have the virus and put them in quarantine for 2 weeks' time. But we have to isolate everyone because with this virus you can spread it to others even if you are asymptomatic. That is the **** problem. The virus needs to transmit itself to a new host or die. So spread everyone away from each other for 2 weeks and let the virus die out. This is how the Chinese did it. And they practically wiped the virus out of china using isolation for just a month where the virus started out. The Chinese are smarter than us and will have fewer deaths per capita using draconian control tactics.

    I wish that he would respond. I'm worried about him now that we have not heard from him in such a long time. This virus can come back after one gets feeling better sometimes.

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