Totalitarianism

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First your opinion is no more valid than President Trump’s. The difference is he actually has support for his with the several states that are ACTIVELY investigating the fraud. No one, republican, democrat, or independent, believes that 80 million people voted for current resident. No one.

I presented facts, and drew a conclusion logically tethered to those facts. President Trump's "stolen election" claim is an opinion that (to put it mildly) has not been substantiated.

So in your world, going 0 for 60 in court is outweighed by the fact that some states are holding investigations. Okay.

No one, republican, democrat, or independent, believes that 80 million people voted for current resident. No one.

It this statement just for effect or hyperbole? Because the 80 million people who voted for Biden disagree with you.

It is clear that republican officials allowed unconstitutional voting methods,counts, and lack of oversight. That is without question.

What is without question is that not ONE allegation, if proven instead of thrown out of court, could have possibly overturned the election.

One thing the many cases laughed out of court had in common was references to what one (GOP) judge called "garden variety election squabbles." Ever since there have been elections, there have been disputes. What "stolen election" adherents lack is the critical thinking necessary to distinguish between election disputes, which happen every election, and widespread election fraud. Trump took full advantage of this gullibility.

Name ONE specific fact that would have justified "stolen election" claims. Just one.

How could they look at evidence that they never allowed or ordered to be gathered? You are talking in a circle. You do understand the meaning of discovery? Maricopa county in Arizona still won’t allow machines to be audited, even after a court order! Is that alex jones conspiracist theory?

The huge advantage conspiracy theorists have is, when confronted with facts, all they need to do is fall back on "deep state" or "the system is rigged." This is a good example. Logical questions to ask if you want the truth about Arizona are: (1) Do the complainants have a right to do this by law? (2) Are there public interest reasons either for or against granting their request?

The reason the legislators' request to examine the machines was denied was because they were already tied up in court by other lawsuits from other GOP officials. Releasing the machines to someone else would mean they wouldn't be preserved intact. Pretty simple really. But that's what it takes, a willingness to look behind whatever is in Trump's tweets or in the headlines at OAN or Epoch Times and find out the real facts.

The last I read there was going to be some sort of investigation of the machines after all. Guess what they're going to find? Nothing. Just like the multiple other places where scary accusations of Dominion hacks have been shot to pieces and exposed as lies. Thing is, no one remembers the lies, they just move on to the next one.

Finally, the ballot harvesting,fraud, clarity, and legality of mass vote by mail schemes were identified well before the election. Trump’s only mistake was not fighting the fraud before it happened. As far as him calling it “stolen”? I don’t blame him a bit and I’m in the majority whether they admit it or not.

This election has been the most scrutinized in American history. If you're looking for ACTUAL patriots, it's the election officials across the country, both GOP and DEM, who worked to pull off the most contentious election in my lifetime during a global pandemic. And I while I disagree that the "stolen election" alternate reality people are in the majority, even if they were, it wouldn't be the first time the majority of people were dead wrong about something.