Truth

[Bonefish]

Today, if you ask, “What is truth?” you will get many answers. The concept of truth is not a popular subject today. To some truth is subjective, the individual world of preference and opinion. Others believe truth is a collective judgment, the product of cultural consensus. Others deny the concept of truth altogether. The opposite of truth is untruth, lies and deceit. The truth can be hidden for long periods of time, and secrets may be taken to the grave, but be assured, God knows. Lies and deceit are like termites in your walls; you do not see the damage until it is too late. Usually, with a little time, lies and deceit start to smell of putrescence. An example would be the truth in relation to the origin of the coronavirus.

Misinformation and disinformation today is a tactic used by authoritarians in an attempt to control the flow of information so they can control the populace. Today, extreme politicians are married to social media to spread untruths. In a democracy, truth is essential, but hard to differentiate and protect. The Christian view is no longer the predominant view in the world today. Feelings, not facts, have become the nation’s moral compass. Untruths are disguised as popular ideologies. Knowledge, wisdom and vigilance are needed to recognize deceit. Knowledge, truth and behavior should be in agreement.

In the Book of John we find what is truth. In John 18:37-38 it reads, “You are a king then?” Pilate asked. “You say that I’m a king”, Jesus replied. “I was born for this, and I have come into the world for this: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.” “What is truth?” said Pilate. Obviously, Pilate did not know the truth. Pilate had never chosen to investigate the truth. In John 14:6 it reads, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

Biblically, truth is that which is consistent with the mind, will, character, glory and the being of God …the self-expression of God. God is the God of truth. The Word of God is truth. God is the final judge of all truth. Truth is also the way things are in reality. Truth is independent of belief. Belief is only as good as the object in which we put our trust. God reveals basic truth about Himself in nature … “The heavens declare His glory” (Psalm 19:1). God’s wisdom, power and beauty are on constant display in what He has created (Romans 1:20). The knowledge of God is inborn in the human heart (Romans 1:19). The moral character and loftiness of God’s law is implicit in every human conscience (Romans 2:15). God is the source of all truth. No one can define truth without reference to God. Truth is therefore a moral issue for everyone.

In Romans 1:21-22 it reads, “Although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.” Three cords and the truth is all that is needed for a song for a joyful heart. Today, as a nation, we desperately need truth.

Bonefish

[jcb]

Unfortunately, a lot of untruths today are also being disguised as Christian positions as well. Our commitment to truth has suffered as we've officiated over an unholy wedding of our faith to politics, particularly.

I think it's important for us Christians to recognize that. The world is going to be the world. I'm a lot more concerned about the floor joists rotting out than the storm that might be outside.

[pontooner]

Unfortunately, a lot of untruths today are also being disguised as Christian positions as well. Our commitment to truth has suffered as we've officiated over an unholy wedding of our faith to politics, particularly.

I think it's important for us Christians to recognize that. The world is going to be the world. I'm a lot more concerned about the floor joists rotting out than the storm that might be outside.

Absolute truth (pun intended). All one has to do is look at Donald J Trump and the Christian rights embrace of a man that has always lacked any semblance of what most would consider Christian values..... A man that much more closely checks all the boxes of the deadly sins than that of what one would call a good Christian man.

I'm all about forgiving and believe that people can change, but if anyone thinks Trump "changed" for any other reasons than for political gain, then I have some sea front property here in KY that I would like to sell you. I mean all you ever here is that all politicians lie but when it came to Trump, it was always the truth being spoken.

Anyway, Bone it's pretty funny that you now find yourself concerned with the "truth" after what went on for four plus years. Let me know when Biden gets anywhere near the level of lying of Trump and then we can have a serious talk. See below.

In four years, President Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...aims-database/

[jcb]

Absolute truth (pun intended). All one has to do is look at Donald J Trump and the Christian rights embrace of a man that has always lacked any semblance of what most would consider Christian values..... A man that much more closely checks all the boxes of the deadly sins than that of what one would call a good Christian man.

I'm all about forgiving and believe that people can change, but if anyone thinks Trump "changed" for any other reasons than for political gain, then I have some sea front property here in KY that I would like to sell you. I mean all you ever here is that all politicians lie but when it came to Trump, it was always the truth being spoken.

Anyway, Bone it's pretty funny that you now find yourself concerned with the "truth" after what went on for four plus years. Let me know when Biden gets anywhere near the level of lying of Trump and then we can have a serious talk. See below.

In four years, President Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...aims-database/

For me, the problem has a lot less to do with Trump's personal faith or lack thereof; we've had non-believers as president before without great harm done. It has a lot more to do with what he's enabled and accelerated. Most of all, abandoning a commitment to truth, Christ-likeness and adoption of an unholy alliance between politics and religion.

What John Piper said was true:

“I find it bewildering that Christians can be so sure that greater damage will be done by bad judges, bad laws, and bad policies than is being done by the culture-infecting spread of the gangrene of sinful self-exaltation, and boasting, and strife-stirring.”

[GeoFisher]

Absolute truth (pun intended). All one has to do is look at Donald J Trump and the Christian rights embrace of a man that has always lacked any semblance of what most would consider Christian values..... A man that much more closely checks all the boxes of the deadly sins than that of what one would call a good Christian man.

I'm all about forgiving and believe that people can change, but if anyone thinks Trump "changed" for any other reasons than for political gain, then I have some sea front property here in KY that I would like to sell you. I mean all you ever here is that all politicians lie but when it came to Trump, it was always the truth being spoken.

Anyway, Bone it's pretty funny that you now find yourself concerned with the "truth" after what went on for four plus years. Let me know when Biden gets anywhere near the level of lying of Trump and then we can have a serious talk. See below.

In four years, President Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...aims-database/

It is amazing that Biden has made ZERO false claims, right?

This 30,573 false claims is UTTER ********......It's called freakin politics. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them lie.

I could generate a list of thousands of lies from Biden already, but you know what. I understand that it is politics.

Later,

Geo

[jcb]

It is amazing that Biden has made ZERO false claims, right?

This 30,573 false claims is UTTER ********......It's called freakin politics. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them lie.

I could generate a list of thousands of lies from Biden already, but you know what. I understand that it is politics.

Later,

Geo

Saying "all politicians lie" seems wise, but it actually sets you up for a con because it ignores the question of degree.

Some politicians lie occasionally. Some are downright pathological, like 45. Some are in between. All of them shade the truth a bit.

When you lump them all in the same category, you are more likely to be misled, because of course, MY guy wouldn't lie like THEIR guy. And you lower the standard for the next batch of politicians that comes along.

[pontooner]

Saying "all politicians lie" seems wise, but it actually sets you up for a con because it ignores the question of degree.

Some politicians lie occasionally. Some are downright pathological, like 45. Some are in between. All of them shade the truth a bit.

When you lump them all in the same category, you are more likely to be misled, because of course, MY guy wouldn't lie like THEIR guy. And you lower the standard for the next batch of politicians that comes along.

This.

It's like the point I made in another thread. Two people got speeding tickets, one for doing 65mph in a 55mph zone and the other for doing 110mph in a 55mph zone. Yeah they both got speeding tickets but trying to compare the two at face value of them both just being speeding tickets is asinine. And while the law can/will punish one driver more severely than the other, there is nothing of the such to hold one accountable for lying a couple times a day compared to someone lying 20 plus times a day (again, unless in court....).

[Moveon]

It is amazing that Biden has made ZERO false claims, right?

This 30,573 false claims is UTTER ********......It's called freakin politics. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them lie.

I could generate a list of thousands of lies from Biden already, but you know what. I understand that it is politics.

Later,

Geo

I'd like to see that list and go over it point by point.

[Moveon]

Misinformation and disinformation today is a tactic used by religious zealots and preachers in an attempt to control the flow of information so they can control the populace. This is why the Roman Empire took up Christianity. He saw that he could use the church to control the people.

[jcb]

Misinformation and disinformation today is a tactic used by religious zealots and preachers in an attempt to control the flow of information so they can control the populace. This is why the Roman Empire took up Christianity. He saw that he could use the church to control the people.

I'm not interested in defending Rome, but I'd be curious what primary source you use to so boldly assert as fact that Constantine's conversion was based on power dynamics and not genuine.

[Moveon]

I'm not interested in defending Rome, but I'd be curious what primary source you use to so boldly assert as fact that Constantine's conversion was based on power dynamics and not genuine.

Do as I say or you will go to he)). How much more proof does anyone need?

[jcb]

Do as I say or you will go to he)). How much more proof does anyone need?

Well, if you're going to state as fact that a certain person did a certain something because of X, you need a LOT more proof. What you gave isn't any proof at all.