After effects of 911 20 years later.

[ZoraSpook]

Not blaming. Commanders are responsible for all they do or Fail to do. Given last president started the ball moving, new guy gets to decide to continue or stop. He decided to continue, his call, and I support that. The essence then becomes the execution of the paln. A good plan poorly executed falls below expectations. I think part of the issue was that the Talibon needed more strongly reminded why it is they needed to honor their agreements with us. A couple A-10's, or AC 130's would have provided doorstep delivery of those reminders most effectively.

I think what caused most of the issue during withdrawal was the over emphasis on a deadline date. Ya never telegraph your intent to an enemy. You tell the bad guys we will leave when its safe for us to do so and we will knock the stuffings out of you if you harm and american while we do it. Why you set that stage of strength you then quietly get people out so that the last thing to go is announced after the fact. JMHO.

All that said and being fair, we were supported by the Afghan Army that just gave up. And they did so partly because they felt unsupported, but partly also because they never did fully assue the responsibility for defending thier own country and country men. Given that variable, it may have been just as much a mess under either leader.

If I am president today, then all that happens or fails to happen is my responsibility to make good.

PS: If I buy a boat from you with a leak in it, then decide to put it in the water anyway, before taking precautions to make sure it will float, then I don't beleive I have anyone to blame when I launch and then my feet get wet.

[Moveon]

PS: If I buy a boat from you with a leak in it, then decide to put it in the water anyway, before taking precautions to make sure it will float, then I don't believe I have anyone to blame when I launch and then my feet get wet.

If you buy the entire US Government it takes a lot of time to put everything into order and when you have the last owner doing everything in their power to screw with you you can't blame it on the new owner if things are not working right after a short period of time. Now if the Dems actually had 6o votes in the US Senate and could fully implement their full agenda then after 4 years you could decide if that is good for American or not. But as long as the US Senate and the GOP can block every thing that the Democrats try to do in the Senate you can't blame things on the President. You have to blame Mitch McConnell too.

[ZoraSpook]

If you buy the entire US Government it takes a lot of time to put everything into order and when you have the last owner doing everything in their power to screw with you you can't blame it on the new owner if things are not working right after a short period of time. Now if the Dems actually had 6o votes in the US Senate and could fully implement their full agenda then after 4 years you could decide if that is good for American or not. But as long as the US Senate and the GOP can block every thing that the Democrats try to do in the Senate you can't blame things on the President. You have to blame Mitch McConnell too.

Interested to understand how prior President was actively involved in Afghan situation 5 to 8 months after no longer being in a position of authority? Seems guy in power directs military ops, not the one gone 5-8 months.

I think if getting out was done with true force demonstrated to The “ Tally Wackers” things may have been different.

[Moveon]

Interested to understand how prior President was actively involved in Afghan situation 5 to 8 months after no longer being in a position of authority? Seems guy in power directs military ops, not the one gone 5-8 months.

I think if getting out was done with true force demonstrated to The “ Tally Wackers” things may have been different.

Trump made an agreement on behalf of the USA to get our troops out of Afghanistan after Trump left the White House. Biden simply honored our agreement on behalf of the USA. Both Trump and Biden wanted us out of Afghanistan. But since trump lost the election Biden had to carry out the plan.

I really don't care what happens in Afghanistan. I care about what happens here in the USA more than some forign country thousands of miles away from where I live.