just one mans thoughts about the vaxer debate

[jcb]

Yes I did. I’m not surprised you would use canadian research. Sounds like he is a professor of mathematics and biology. Second example isnt even remotely related to the falsi virus.

Dude just take the L. "mutations are never stronger."

You're going to hurt your back moving those goalposts around.

[ZoraSpook]

Dude just take the L. "mutations are never stronger."

You're going to hurt your back moving those goalposts around.

Data indicate that Delta is 40-60% more transmissible than Alpha and almost twice as transmissible as the original Wuhan strain of SARS-CoV-2. Furthermore, significantly more viral particles have been found in the airways of patients infected with the Delta variant. A Chinese study reported that viral loads in Delta infections were ~1,000 times higher than those in infections caused by other variants. In response this information, the World Health Organization (WHO) regards Delta as “the fastest and fittest” variant so far.

SHOULD WE FIRWST AGREE ON STRONGER DEFINITION?
https://asm.org/Articles/2021/July/H...iant-B-1-617-2

[TimE]

Data indicate that Delta is 40-60% more transmissible than Alpha and almost twice as transmissible as the original Wuhan strain of SARS-CoV-2. Furthermore, significantly more viral particles have been found in the airways of patients infected with the Delta variant. A Chinese study reported that viral loads in Delta infections were ~1,000 times higher than those in infections caused by other variants. In response this information, the World Health Organization (WHO) regards Delta as “the fastest and fittest” variant so far.

SHOULD WE FIRWST AGREE ON STRONGER DEFINITION?
https://asm.org/Articles/2021/July/H...iant-B-1-617-2

Exactly. That vaccine isn’t looking so good is it? 76% of deaths in vermont during September were vaccinated. That shot you so proud of is a superspreader. Otherwise let’s hear your excuse for more deaths in 2021 than 2020. You know what? Nevermind. It would be as comical as face diapers.

[dragmerc]

what is different about the booster shots from the original?
did each drug company develop 3 different versions of their vaccines at the same time?
are you supposed to take these shots in a certain order?
if there aren't different versions and each shot is the same, why are boosters necessary if the first shot really worked?

and why are they trying to ban NAC, Ivermectin, etc. that have been used for years?
there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense.

[Moveon]

what is different about the booster shots from the original?
did each drug company develop 3 different versions of their vaccines at the same time?
are you supposed to take these shots in a certain order?
if there aren't different versions and each shot is the same, why are boosters necessary if the first shot really worked?

and why are they trying to ban NAC, Ivermectin, etc. that have been used for years?
there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense.

Doctors don't prescribe ivermectin for Covid 19 as it's not been approved for that viral disease. It's used for treating parasites not viruses. Do you know the difference between a virus and a parasite? Mostly ivermectin is used to treat horses for worms and the dosage is much greater than treating humans for a parasite infection. Therefore everyone is not qualified to become a doctor. They screen out people before allowing the smartest ones into medical school for a reason.

Now you may not understand how vaccines work. An antigen is introduced into the body be it a virus or other pathogen. The body's defenses recognize the antigen and make antibodies to attack the antigen. The next time the same antigen is found in the body the bodies antibodies are already primed to react faster and they attack the antigen faster and with more antibodies. This is now it works in most humans. The said that the Pfizer vaccine had a 95% efficacy. Nothing is perfect so in about 5% on average the vaccines are not effective. Reasons can be immune deficiency where the body does not produce antibodies. Certain medicines can cause this effect. Some people undergoing cancer treatments or getting certain steroids won't be able to produce antibodies in response to an antigen introduced into the body. So, 95% get immunity and 5% don't on Average. Now you may or may not know how averages are calculated. The more people who are studied (N) the better the statistical results. Therefore, they had 40,000 people in the phase three trials for the Pfizer vaccine. There are COE and standard deviations that are calculated also. The more people that are studied the better the statistical data. Then there are outliers and other things to consider. You can group the data into age categories as well. What they found is that the older people are not developing enough antibodies due to age and other factors. So, these are the first people that needed a booster shot for the Pfizer vaccine. Now also there are three different vaccines that we have here in the USA. Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson and Johnson. There are other types of covid vaccines too. So, it gets complicated which is why doctors make these decisions not we peons. The Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines are the mRNA types. I'm not sure what the AstraZeneca and others are. I can't recall if J&J is a mRNA type or other vaccine. But there are other vaccines that are not the mRNA types. The mRNA vaccines were developed to fight the original variant of the SARS CoV2 virus. The virus has mutated also. There are several variants out there now and the most prominent is the Delta Variant of Sars CoV-2. Delta is much more transmittable and infects much faster than the original variant of SARS CoV-2. So now we have multiple variables to contend with. And remember it takes a lot of time to develop and test these vaccines before they can be approved for distribution into arms. So we need to answer one more of your questions. No they are not all the same and the order makes a difference. The booster shots don't have as much of the antigen in them as the first and second shots for the Pfizer vaccine. Which is why they call it a booster. The body already has seen the Pfizer vaccine antigen two times before for fully vaccinated people and only needs a small dose of the Pfizer antigen to boost the immune system into making antibodies. Most or 95% of the people are able to fend off the virus after only two shots. Remember they don't call this virus a Novel Coronavirus for nothing. This is a new virus that the world has never seen before so we are learning about it as we go. We have only been seeing this virus for about two years now and it's a moving target as it keeps mutating or changing on us. New studies in Israel showed that our immunity that is produced by the vaccine can wane over time. But remember that it depends on how they test immunity. Which is hard to do. The Israeli scientist found that immunity was slowing down over time (six months after the second dose of Pfizer vaccine and there were some breakthrough infections. So, they started to give everyone in Israel booster shots to protect them better. They are a small country and under constant threat from their neighbors and need everyone healthy to survive so they do it right. Other studies have shown that immunity can wane over time, so booster shots are necessary. We here in the USA decided to give the booster shots to the over sixty-five age group first. Also, people that are more likely to get the virus are included such as first responders and such. Younger people have better immune systems in general and are still protected by the first two shots of the Pfizer vaccine. Notice I an only using the Pfizer vaccine to simply this discussion. Like I said this is a brand-new virus that the world has never seen before and we are still trying to learn how it works and what we can do to fight it. And it keeps changing. 700,000 Americans have already died from this virus and that is more than all the previous World Wars, Korean War, Vietnam War and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

[GeoFisher]

Doctors don't prescribe ivermectin for Covid 19 as it's not been approved for that viral disease. It's used for treating parasites not viruses. Do you know the difference between a virus and a parasite? Mostly ivermectin is used to treat horses for worms and the dosage is much greater than treating humans for a parasite infection. Therefore everyone is not qualified to become a doctor. They screen out people before allowing the smartest ones into medical school for a reason.

Now you may not understand how vaccines work. An antigen is introduced into the body be it a virus or other pathogen. The body's defenses recognize the antigen and make antibodies to attack the antigen. The next time the same antigen is found in the body the bodies antibodies are already primed to react faster and they attack the antigen faster and with more antibodies. This is now it works in most humans. The said that the Pfizer vaccine had a 95% efficacy. Nothing is perfect so in about 5% on average the vaccines are not effective. Reasons can be immune deficiency where the body does not produce antibodies. Certain medicines can cause this effect. Some people undergoing cancer treatments or getting certain steroids won't be able to produce antibodies in response to an antigen introduced into the body. So, 95% get immunity and 5% don't on Average. Now you may or may not know how averages are calculated. The more people who are studied (N) the better the statistical results. Therefore, they had 40,000 people in the phase three trials for the Pfizer vaccine. There are COE and standard deviations that are calculated also. The more people that are studied the better the statistical data. Then there are outliers and other things to consider. You can group the data into age categories as well. What they found is that the older people are not developing enough antibodies due to age and other factors. So, these are the first people that needed a booster shot for the Pfizer vaccine. Now also there are three different vaccines that we have here in the USA. Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson and Johnson. There are other types of covid vaccines too. So, it gets complicated which is why doctors make these decisions not we peons. The Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines are the mRNA types. I'm not sure what the AstraZeneca and others are. I can't recall if J&J is a mRNA type or other vaccine. But there are other vaccines that are not the mRNA types. The mRNA vaccines were developed to fight the original variant of the SARS CoV2 virus. The virus has mutated also. There are several variants out there now and the most prominent is the Delta Variant of Sars CoV-2. Delta is much more transmittable and infects much faster than the original variant of SARS CoV-2. So now we have multiple variables to contend with. And remember it takes a lot of time to develop and test these vaccines before they can be approved for distribution into arms. So we need to answer one more of your questions. No they are not all the same and the order makes a difference. The booster shots don't have as much of the antigen in them as the first and second shots for the Pfizer vaccine. Which is why they call it a booster. The body already has seen the Pfizer vaccine antigen two times before for fully vaccinated people and only needs a small dose of the Pfizer antigen to boost the immune system into making antibodies. Most or 95% of the people are able to fend off the virus after only two shots. Remember they don't call this virus a Novel Coronavirus for nothing. This is a new virus that the world has never seen before so we are learning about it as we go. We have only been seeing this virus for about two years now and it's a moving target as it keeps mutating or changing on us. New studies in Israel showed that our immunity that is produced by the vaccine can wane over time. But remember that it depends on how they test immunity. Which is hard to do. The Israeli scientist found that immunity was slowing down over time (six months after the second dose of Pfizer vaccine and there were some breakthrough infections. So, they started to give everyone in Israel booster shots to protect them better. They are a small country and under constant threat from their neighbors and need everyone healthy to survive so they do it right. Other studies have shown that immunity can wane over time, so booster shots are necessary. We here in the USA decided to give the booster shots to the over sixty-five age group first. Also, people that are more likely to get the virus are included such as first responders and such. Younger people have better immune systems in general and are still protected by the first two shots of the Pfizer vaccine. Notice I an only using the Pfizer vaccine to simply this discussion. Like I said this is a brand-new virus that the world has never seen before and we are still trying to learn how it works and what we can do to fight it. And it keeps changing. 700,000 Americans have already died from this virus and that is more than all the previous World Wars, Korean War, Vietnam War and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

You bloviate more than anyone.

Ivermectin works by suppressing the immune response.

the PARASITE that Ivermectin is used to fight, causes a BACTERIAL infection. THE response of our bodies is very similar, and Ivermectin, suppresses that.

The cytokine storm is what kills most people.....Ivermectin stops that.

There are tons of ways to mitigate covid, besides using the vaccine, IMHO.

We will find out more about this and the suppression of treatment by Big Pharma over the next decade.

Wait till you see the research on new drugs based on IVERMECTIN that are being used and pushed by big pharma.

Pay attention.......

Later,

Geo

[ZoraSpook]

Exactly. That vaccine isn’t looking so good is it? 76% of deaths in vermont during September were vaccinated. That shot you so proud of is a superspreader. Otherwise let’s hear your excuse for more deaths in 2021 than 2020. You know what? Nevermind. It would be as comical as face diapers.

The facts:
https://www.healthvermont.gov/sites/...-9-24-2021.pdf

446,000 vaccinated, but breakthrough cases = .6%. 21 deaths in Sep.

20 vs 21 deaths? Simple, even you can understand.
1. More idiots refusing to mask, social distance, wash hands, avoid crowds.
2. Delta emerges with a very increased transmission rate and viral load.

Ya know, I kinda appreciate the anti mask, anti vac, social crowding folks.

The sooner you all get sick and get some small natural immunity the sooner we get to herd immunity. So go forth and get sick in your efforts to contribute to us all.

[Moveon]

MTG ladies and gentlemen

[TimE]

The facts:
https://www.healthvermont.gov/sites/...-9-24-2021.pdf

446,000 vaccinated, but breakthrough cases = .6%. 21 deaths in Sep.

20 vs 21 deaths? Simple, even you can understand.
1. More idiots refusing to mask, social distance, wash hands, avoid crowds.
2. Delta emerges with a very increased transmission rate and viral load.

Ya know, I kinda appreciate the anti mask, anti vac, social crowding folks.

The sooner you all get sick and get some small natural immunity the sooner we get to herd immunity. So go forth and get sick in your efforts to contribute to us all.

What a terrible argument you make. Everyone knows natural immunity is more effective than shots. 2021 vaccinated bunch dieting like flies, unlikely from falsi virus though. More congestive heart failure caused by shot it seems. Good luck.

[GeoFisher]

Exactly. That vaccine isn’t looking so good is it? 76% of deaths in vermont during September were vaccinated. That shot you so proud of is a superspreader. Otherwise let’s hear your excuse for more deaths in 2021 than 2020. You know what? Nevermind. It would be as comical as face diapers.

This is a typical response from the EXTREMISTS on the right about the shot being a super spreader.

you should do a little basic logic diagram of your ignorance.........

Just because more people are getting delta ( it is more 1000x more capable of spreading), does NOT mean the shot is causing it.

OMFG Tim...........

Likewise, there is not enough proof that the shot also kept more vaccinated people from dying. We don't have enough data to support that.....YET.

Simple Logic my friend.

SIMPLE LOGIC.

Later,

Geo

[TimE]

This is a typical response from the EXTREMISTS on the right about the shot being a super spreader.

you should do a little basic logic diagram of your ignorance.........

Just because more people are getting delta ( it is more 1000x more capable of spreading), does NOT mean the shot is causing it.

OMFG Tim...........

Likewise, there is not enough proof that the shot also kept more vaccinated people from dying. We don't have enough data to support that.....YET.

Simple Logic my friend.

SIMPLE LOGIC.

Later,

Geo

Jigs up geo, I was told of your other accounts. Go piss up a rope.

How about that insurrection at department of interior that AG didn’t even know about? Lmao! You are a fraud. Donald J Trump will easily win in 2024 if he chooses to run, and if you listen closely you can “hear that train a coming”. Sorry I ever misjudged you.

[GeoFisher]

Jigs up geo, I was told of your other accounts. Go piss up a rope.

How about that insurrection at department of interior that AG didn’t even know about? Lmao! You are a fraud. Donald J Trump will easily win in 2024 if he chooses to run, and if you listen closely you can “hear that train a coming”. Sorry I ever misjudged you.

Exactly what other accounts are you talking about.

Maybe Peter would like to weigh in.........Seems to me you are full of complete and utter ****.

I have exactly 1 account here.

Always have, always will.