Putin invades Ukraine

[Moveon]

my gauge on getting involved in any war...would i want my kid giving their life for this cause?

politicians start most wars and politicians are the scum of the earth.
would i take direction from a politician?...NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You will do what the politicans tell us to do. But I see your point. Wars are hell and I would not want my kids going to war either unless it was to protect our country from attack.

But remember that Hitler's U-boats were sinking American ships off the coast of New Jersey for years before Pearl Harbor and the start of WWII for the USA against Japan and then Germany. All due to a war in Europe. So we are tied to Europe and a war in Ukraine influences all of Europe and the USA.

[ZoraSpook]

You will do what the politicans tell us to do. But I see your point. Wars are hell and I would not want my kids going to war either unless it was to protect our country from attack.

But remember that Hitler's U-boats were sinking American ships off the coast of New Jersey for years before Pearl Harbor and the start of WWII for the USA against Japan and then Germany. All due to a war in Europe. So we are tied to Europe and a war in Ukraine influences all of Europe and the USA.

So in fact we did stay out as long as we could hoping Europe would take care of it, and when it totally got out of control, then we made the rightful decision to get involved.

And by the way, we the US was right at the end of the American Dustbowl, and the Great Depression, and with an antiquated and undermanned Army, Navy, and Marine Corps, so righfully, yea....we didn't sit on our hands......we built the capability and entered when we could.

[ZoraSpook]

So in fact we did stay out as long as we could hoping Europe would take care of it, and when it totally got out of control, then we made the rightful decision to get involved.

And by the way, we the US was right at the end of the American Dustbowl, and the Great Depression, and with an antiquated and undermanned Army, Navy, and Marine Corps, so righfully, yea....we didn't sit on our hands......we built the capability and entered when we could.

And as proof of that, look how fast it ended once we did get involved. Not fast enough, but still a constant march from beach head to Hilters dining room.

[Moveon]

And as proof of that, look how fast it ended once we did get involved. Not fast enough, but still a constant march from beach head to Hilters dining room.

We also had the Brits helping us fight on the Western front.

But good point. Things will be a lot different this time. Russia is much stronger now than Hitler or Germany was in 1944.

[ZoraSpook]

We also had the Brits helping us fight on the Western front.

But good point. Things will be a lot different this time. Russia is much stronger now than Hitler or Germany was in 1944.

Agreed, whole new set of capabilites. As an old tanker comparing fire control equipment, I'd say a T-84 could have taken on 10 King Tigers and come out on top.