Comparing

[GeoFisher]

I'm saying that he is acting just as Hitler did at the very beginning of WWII. Did you look at the maps and go though the progression on how Hitler invaded the different countries over a period of years. That is what Putin is doing. Putin has invaded Georgia and has Russian Troops in Moldavia and Ukraine as well as Bulgaria. Putin is threatening nuclear war now. Hitler would have used nukes if he had them.

I wish that everyone reading this thread would go though the maps in the link in my last post and move through the timeline Starting in 1936 When Germany sent troops into the Rhineland and then click the NEXT button to see how the WAR in EUROPE progressed. It was not until Germany invaded Poland that Britian and France declared war on Germany. And the US didn't declare war on Germany until after Pearl Harbor. Abd don't forget the Aliance that Germany had with Italy and Japan as well at Russia. Remember that Russia also invaded Poland.

My Point is that you can't ignore wars in Europe. And the sooner you stop people like Hitler the better in the long run. Give people like Hitler and Putin an inch and they will take a mile.

Putin took Georgia nearly 20 years ago. Putin took Crimea nearly 10 years ago........

I have not found anything about Bulgaria......Belarus maybe, but not Bulgaria. The troops in Moldavia have been there since about 1990 or so......as "Peacekeepers".

This ain't Hitler. I get what you're saying but pushing "the sky is falling narrative" is wrong, IMHO.

I do believe Putin is DONE, depending if NATO has the actual balls to draw that line in the sand. I believe Putin is also not an idiot. He knows a tactical nuke will bring UTTER destruction to Russia and potentially the world.

I"m not saying Putin is not dangerous, he is......but he is NOT on par with Hitler.

And I have studied WWII. A whole hell of a lot.

Later,

Geo

[dragmerc]

did we guarantee Ukraine protection when they gave up their nukes?

[stripernut1]

did we guarantee Ukraine protection when they gave up their nukes?

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!
why yes...yes we did !
It's called the "Budapest Memorandum".
And it is a BIG read, and I will tell you up front I am not smart enough to understand a lot of it.
But people who are say we are obligated to offer Ukraine protection. Now there is also some disagreement about the term protection. Some say we are already providing assistance by sending military hardware.
I am not comfortable with the US having boots on the ground, that always seems to end up biting us in the ass. Not to mention the families here of lost loved military members.
Buy I say help them any other way we can. WE ARE OBLIGATED, WE MADE A DEAL

[Moveon]

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!
why yes...yes we did !
It's called the "Budapest Memorandum".
And it is a BIG read, and I will tell you up front I am not smart enough to understand a lot of it.
But people who are say we are obligated to offer Ukraine protection. Now there is also some disagreement about the term protection. Some say we are already providing assistance by sending military hardware.
I am not comfortable with the US having boots on the ground, that always seems to end up biting us in the ass. Not to mention the families here of lost loved military members.
Buy I say help them any other way we can. WE ARE OBLIGATED, WE MADE A DEAL

We are proposing to give Ukraine 33 billion dollars in assistance. Do you support such aid to Ukraine to stop Russia?

[dragmerc]

We are proposing to give Ukraine 33 billion dollars in assistance. Do you support such aid to Ukraine to stop Russia?

seems a bit much.
i wonder how much stuff they'll actually get.
and how much kickback the big guy gets.

[stripernut1]

We are proposing to give Ukraine 33 billion dollars in assistance. Do you support such aid to Ukraine to stop Russia?

I support America fulfilling its obligations and preserving our honor (or what little we have left).
I'm not in a position to accurately tell you what that price tag is.
I'm saying if we don't back what we say we will lose another friendly.
What's the price tag on that one?

[Moveon]

Just as Hitler took German to a totalitarian State back in the 1930's so has Putin in Russia.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ba58a67054e788

I'm not the only one thinking this is the case.

[ZoraSpook]

I support America fulfilling its obligations and preserving our honor (or what little we have left).
I'm not in a position to accurately tell you what that price tag is.
I'm saying if we don't back what we say we will lose another friendly.
What's the price tag on that one?

I’m with you. No boots on the ground, just our “ support” in the form of ammunition and laser guided bombs that we provide free A10 and F22 air delivery directly to the Russian consumer in the name of Ukraine. In this case we would not eliminate the middle man, we eliminate the Russian Army consumers demand 😂

[Moveon]

I’m with you. No boots on the ground, just our “ support” in the form of ammunition and laser guided bombs that we provide free A10 and F22 air delivery directly to the Russian consumer in the name of Ukraine. In this case we would not eliminate the middle man, we eliminate the Russian Army consumers demand 

Evidently Ukraine has some of it's own ballistic Missiles that they are using to take out Russian Oil storage facilities and trains.

Take that you Russian fools.

[GeoFisher]

We are proposing to give Ukraine 33 billion dollars in assistance. Do you support such aid to Ukraine to stop Russia?

Depends on how much we budget in years to come. 33 billion and done versus 33 billion a year for 10 years.

Just depends. I believe, IMHO that every european country, who is afraid of Putin and what Putin wants should be matching America dollar for dollar.

I don't mean they all have to pony that **** up, but the EU should collectively be paying 33 billion or more for THEIR protection.

It will never happen though.

Later,

GEo

[Moveon]

Depends on how much we budget in years to come. 33 billion and done versus 33 billion a year for 10 years.

Just depends. I believe, IMHO that every european country, who is afraid of Putin and what Putin wants should be matching America dollar for dollar.

I don't mean they all have to pony that **** up, but the EU should collectively be paying 33 billion or more for THEIR protection.

It will never happen though.

Later,

GEo

I agree that the other European countries in NATO should pay a fair share to defend themselves. We benefit from a stable Europe/World.

I just read where the Russia's are stealing Wheat from the occupied areas of Ukraine and shipping it back to Russia and Crimea and then trying to sell it. Other countries like Egypt are refusing to buy the wheat. The ship carrying the grain turned off its transponder, but it was tracked by satellite. It ended up in Syria where Russia offloaded the grain onto another ship in order to Deguise where the grain came from so that they can sell it. Ukraine grows about one-fifth of the Wheat that is exported to the world, so the price of Wheat is going up and up. That means bread prices are going up at the grocery stores in the USA.

I wish that Ukraine has attack submarines and could shut down the Russia ports in Crimea. Russia is blockading the Southern Coast of Ukraine so they can't ship their grain out and make money and feed the world. We should bust that blockade IMHO So of like when we setup a blockade of Cuba which is only 80 miles off the coast of Florida USA. Whereas Ukraine is thousands of miles away from Florida and right in Russia's back yard. Russia owns the black sea now. Where does Turkey stand on the Bosporus straights and the war that Russia started against Ukraine. Russia should not be allowed through the straights carrying stolen grain from Ukraine. Turkey is part of NATO but is not acting like that.

[ZoraSpook]

I agree that the other European countries in NATO should pay a fair share to defend themselves. We benefit from a stable Europe/World.

I just read where the Russia's are stealing Wheat from the occupied areas of Ukraine and shipping it back to Russia and Crimea and then trying to sell it. Other countries like Egypt are refusing to buy the wheat. The ship carrying the grain turned off its transponder, but it was tracked by satellite. It ended up in Syria where Russia offloaded the grain onto another ship in order to Deguise where the grain came from so that they can sell it. Ukraine grows about one-fifth of the Wheat that is exported to the world, so the price of Wheat is going up and up. That means bread prices are going up at the grocery stores in the USA.

I wish that Ukraine has attack submarines and could shut down the Russia ports in Crimea. Russia is blockading the Southern Coast of Ukraine so they can't ship their grain out and make money and feed the world. We should bust that blockade IMHO So of like when we setup a blockade of Cuba which is only 80 miles off the coast of Florida USA. Whereas Ukraine is thousands of miles away from Florida and right in Russia's back yard. Russia owns the black sea now. Where does Turkey stand on the Bosporus straights and the war that Russia started against Ukraine. Russia should not be allowed through the straights carrying stolen grain from Ukraine. Turkey is part of NATO but is not acting like that.

Good point. Do you have any info on how much of the Ukraine grain was being exported to Russia?