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[Buzzy]

Good points. Here's the reference that gave me dates I quoted. See what ya think. Note some of the early observations about migratory porcesses. And to be fair yes, observation porcesses have dramtically advanced. https://www.audubon.org/magazine/spr...-learned-about

The laws then were to keep hunters from destroying migratory birds sir! Not concerns about environment.
Migratory Bird Treaty Act passes in 1918 guides "the taking, possession, transportation, sale, purchase, barter, importation, exportation, and banding or marking of migratory birds.

So infact the concern for the birds is not environmental, its to make sure they are at your favorite hunting spot so you can blow them out of the sky....right? So you and Stripernut are more worried about preserving your hiunting trips, than the birds you prey upon? Is that right? Or just making sure you preserve enough birds so they will be availabe for your hunting trips?

So how does one declare themselve to be a concerned CONSERVATIONIST, and at the same time prey on the spieces they seek to protect? Is that a little of "Take care of the ducks I want to shoot".

Yep, I'm confused :-)

You are using the same logic and rationale as the democrats making people out to be racist.

The bold in your comment is something that I want to focus on because they are absolutely foolish. The birds themselves and their patterns plus number of birds are an environmental issue. And the laws that were made and reflect that we have a DIRECT impact on the total number of game and migratory patterns. Mostly detrimental. Habitat and hunting are intertwined, and to try and separate the two is impossible.

Any reasonable "conservationist" can make that connection.

[ZoraSpook]

You are using the same logic and rationale as the democrats making people out to be racist.

The bold in your comment is something that I want to focus on because they are absolutely foolish. The birds themselves and their patterns plus number of birds are an environmental issue. And the laws that were made and reflect that we have a DIRECT impact on the total number of game and migratory patterns. Mostly detrimental. Habitat and hunting are intertwined, and to try and separate the two is impossible.

Any reasonable "conservationist" can make that connection.

Good points agina and I agree concservation and environment are hand in hand connected.

Next theory.

The reason the birds are leaving the area sooner is because they want to be gone before hunting season to avoid getting shot. Birds, and wildlife, learn from what they experience from us. So might it not be possible the ducks depart early from, and go to places where they have historically experience less gun fire and a more secure wholesome environment.

[Buzzy]

Good points agina and I agree concservation and environment are hand in hand connected.

Next theory.

The reason the birds are leaving the area sooner is because they want to be gone before hunting season to avoid getting shot. Birds, and wildlife, learn from what they experience from us. So might it not be possible the ducks depart early from, and go to places where they have historically experience less gun fire and a more secure wholesome environment.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if they arent that well formed.



To be more clear, fish dont know what fishing is, ducks dont know what hunting is. Food and habitat are the main driving factors towards what they do.

[dragmerc]

i'd say the wildfowl decline is directly related to loss of quail and rabbit in my area...loss of habitat.
it has nothing to do with temperature, just a bunch of houses where there used to be open fields.
roundup weed killer kills more wildlife than a 1 degree temperature rise.

[Buzzy]

i'd say the wildfowl decline is directly related to loss of quail and rabbit in my area...loss of habitat.
it has nothing to do with temperature, just a bunch of houses where there used to be open fields.
roundup weed killer kills more wildlife than a 1 degree temperature rise.

Separating the two is impossible. A temperature rise creates loss of habitat. Don't jump on the side of the irrational.

You are right loss of habitat is the key factor but the loss of habitat is created by us and what we do to the surrounding environment.

[ZoraSpook]

Separating the two is impossible. A temperature rise creates loss of habitat. Don't jump on the side of the irrational.

You are right loss of habitat is the key factor but the loss of habitat is created by us and what we do to the surrounding environment.

I don't disagree at all. Respect for the environment has to happen. And it is give and take. And those envirnomental concerns also have to be balanced against economic factors also.

[Buzzy]

I don't disagree at all. Respect for the environment has to happen. And it is give and take. And those envirnomental concerns also have to be balanced against economic factors also.

I wholeheartedly disagree. it is easier to get free wifi than clean water in this country.

Economics first mindset got us into this mess we are in now. The balance is use less, want less, give more. And let things be!

It was more important for the "economic" side to dump every waste factories had in rivers because it was cheaper. But we all know that was silly. Profit for profits sake is how we destroy this world. If we want to leave a desirable place for our grandchildren we need to change that mindset. No one is going to care if Company A had a %3 profit increase in Q4 because they found a loophole that said if they pollute this way it can save money in 50 years if the area is now toxic. Then no one wins.

[ZoraSpook]

I wholeheartedly disagree. it is easier to get free wifi than clean water in this country.

Economics first mindset got us into this mess we are in now. The balance is use less, want less, give more. And let things be!

It was more important for the "economic" side to dump every waste factories had in rivers because it was cheaper. But we all know that was silly. Profit for profits sake is how we destroy this world. If we want to leave a desirable place for our grandchildren we need to change that mindset. No one is going to care if Company A had a %3 profit increase in Q4 because they found a loophole that said if they pollute this way it can save money in 50 years if the area is now toxic. Then no one wins.

Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!

[Buzzy]

Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!

Are you drunk already??? Hahah yes balance is what I'm talking about. No one is freezing to death or starving but we will when there is no land to grow food on because it is poisoned and no water to put on crops because it is all too tainted.
Balance means moderation. Mainly of business

[ZoraSpook]

Are you drunk already??? Hahah yes balance is what I'm talking about. No one is freezing to death or starving but we will when there is no land to grow food on because it is poisoned and no water to put on crops because it is all too tainted.
Balance means moderation. Mainly of business

No, not yet. I had to go poo-poo

[Buzzy]

Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!

Honestly you dont want to know my thoughts on the restrictions for businesses that i would put in place if I were the guy in charge, you would think I was a fanatic until the money you made went further and further every year because of your lack of dependence on "Business".

[ZoraSpook]

Honestly you dont want to know my thoughts on the restrictions for businesses that i would put in place if I were the guy in charge, you would think I was a fanatic until the money you made went further and further every year because of your lack of dependence on "Business".

I’d be open to considering those thoughts. I mean you and me don’t agree much and traded body shots but honestly, I do benefit from looking at any issue from multiple view points.

For starters, I fully agree some businesses have done miserable environmental things.

One of my thoughts: Companies can not manufacture any item that does not come with an approved method to recycle it either on the items packaging or instruction manual. If they make it they must have a method to handle it safely when it hits end of service life.?