froze

[Buzzy]

I don't disagree at all. Respect for the environment has to happen. And it is give and take. And those envirnomental concerns also have to be balanced against economic factors also.

I wholeheartedly disagree. it is easier to get free wifi than clean water in this country.

Economics first mindset got us into this mess we are in now. The balance is use less, want less, give more. And let things be!

It was more important for the "economic" side to dump every waste factories had in rivers because it was cheaper. But we all know that was silly. Profit for profits sake is how we destroy this world. If we want to leave a desirable place for our grandchildren we need to change that mindset. No one is going to care if Company A had a %3 profit increase in Q4 because they found a loophole that said if they pollute this way it can save money in 50 years if the area is now toxic. Then no one wins.

[ZoraSpook]

I wholeheartedly disagree. it is easier to get free wifi than clean water in this country.

Economics first mindset got us into this mess we are in now. The balance is use less, want less, give more. And let things be!

It was more important for the "economic" side to dump every waste factories had in rivers because it was cheaper. But we all know that was silly. Profit for profits sake is how we destroy this world. If we want to leave a desirable place for our grandchildren we need to change that mindset. No one is going to care if Company A had a %3 profit increase in Q4 because they found a loophole that said if they pollute this way it can save money in 50 years if the area is now toxic. Then no one wins.

Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!

[Buzzy]

Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!

Are you drunk already??? Hahah yes balance is what I'm talking about. No one is freezing to death or starving but we will when there is no land to grow food on because it is poisoned and no water to put on crops because it is all too tainted.
Balance means moderation. Mainly of business

[ZoraSpook]

Are you drunk already??? Hahah yes balance is what I'm talking about. No one is freezing to death or starving but we will when there is no land to grow food on because it is poisoned and no water to put on crops because it is all too tainted.
Balance means moderation. Mainly of business

No, not yet. I had to go poo-poo

[Buzzy]

Economics with enviromental control. In plain words you dont destroy the economy in an effort to make gains 30 years from now when we all will have starved to death and all will have frozen to death in outr homes. BALANCE DANIEL SON, BALANCE!

Which also means doing smart things like encourageing home builders to install solar when the house is first built. Like putiign solar panels on the roofs of EVERY governemtn building instread of taking a farnmers filed and growing glass panels. It means every pro foot ball stadium ought have solar all over their domes. It means every commercial airfiled ought have panels all over it instead of in the middle of a filed where we need to grow things, need to feed cows. It means putting windgenerators on top of buildings instead of taking up land where birds migrate to and from and killing birds with wind turbines., and yes, nuclear power palnats that are far more efficient and cleaner than all that crap put to gether. BALANCE, NOTY FANATIC ********!

Honestly you dont want to know my thoughts on the restrictions for businesses that i would put in place if I were the guy in charge, you would think I was a fanatic until the money you made went further and further every year because of your lack of dependence on "Business".

[ZoraSpook]

Honestly you dont want to know my thoughts on the restrictions for businesses that i would put in place if I were the guy in charge, you would think I was a fanatic until the money you made went further and further every year because of your lack of dependence on "Business".

I’d be open to considering those thoughts. I mean you and me don’t agree much and traded body shots but honestly, I do benefit from looking at any issue from multiple view points.

For starters, I fully agree some businesses have done miserable environmental things.

One of my thoughts: Companies can not manufacture any item that does not come with an approved method to recycle it either on the items packaging or instruction manual. If they make it they must have a method to handle it safely when it hits end of service life.?

[stripernut1]

I’d be open to considering those thoughts. I mean you and me don’t agree much and traded body shots but honestly, I do benefit from looking at any issue from multiple view points.

For starters, I fully agree some businesses have done miserable environmental things.

One of my thoughts: Companies can not manufacture any item that does not come with an approved method to recycle it either on the items packaging or instruction manual. If they make it they must have a method to handle it safely when it hits end of service life.?

Hey Buzz,
Be careful! He's doing it again, he lulls you into complacency with nice gestures and being polite.
I mean who does this???
This is wenevetfish.com , if you can't fight amd be nasty maybe candy canes amd unicorns is what you were looking for.
Read the room man, read the room

[dragmerc]

i am about as far right as you can get but i'm in favor of banning 1 time use plastics such as cups, plates, forks, feed bags, etc.
go back to paper and glass like we used to.
looks like the wizard here that knows everything would come up with biodegradable plastic.

[GeoFisher]

i am about as far right as you can get but i'm in favor of banning 1 time use plastics such as cups, plates, forks, feed bags, etc.
go back to paper and glass like we used to.
looks like the wizard here that knows everything would come up with biodegradable plastic.

I think many of us are for banning one time use plastics.

BUT it can never happen......

Imagine this scenerio. You go to your favorite place for takeout. They charge 1 buck for the containers, or you BRING your own container, and your favorite place uses YOUR container.

Nope. Dept of AG, Health Dept, Dept of Environment affairs and about 18 others, have about 18 thousand rules about those non approved home containers.......cleaned in your dishwasher at 8 thousand degrees last night, oh and it's made of stainless or GLASS.

GET rid of all the ******** and let me bring my glass container to the effing restaurant, and take my **** home that I BUY from you.

That is but one example.

In another, you could eliminate nearly all drink container waste, by charging a dollar extra per cup or bring your own.....

Later,

Geo

[ZoraSpook]

Hey Buzz,
Be careful! He's doing it again, he lulls you into complacency with nice gestures and being polite.
I mean who does this???
This is wenevetfish.com , if you can't fight amd be nasty maybe candy canes amd unicorns is what you were looking for.
Read the room man, read the room

Yep…..dats it, uh-huh, you nailed it. Man how did you get so clairvoyant?
Wow, really respect those thoughts. Uh- huh. You can trust me when I say that, I used to sell cars. So you are soooooooo much more mature, informed, and compassionate. Yep, true prince. Glad to associate with an individual of such amazing insight.

[Buzzy]

I’d be open to considering those thoughts. I mean you and me don’t agree much and traded body shots but honestly, I do benefit from looking at any issue from multiple view points.

For starters, I fully agree some businesses have done miserable environmental things.

One of my thoughts: Companies can not manufacture any item that does not come with an approved method to recycle it either on the items packaging or instruction manual. If they make it they must have a method to handle it safely when it hits end of service life.?

Once again the same rationale as "if we ban guns the murders wont happen"

How about companies can only produce items in a pre-order fashion. There should be 3 MAYBE 4 types of cereal, they all have the same crap in them with different packaging. How about single use plastics for non-medical or food storage purposes cannot be made anymore?
How about it is illegal to not have a garden that is less than 70% of your lawn and two chickens on your property?


We havent gone tit for tat like you said, you just bootlicked companies that dont pay your salary, dont pay taxes and only pollute your surroundings for gains you will never see.

[GeoFisher]

Once again the same rationale as "if we ban guns the murders wont happen"

How about companies can only produce items in a pre-order fashion. There should be 3 MAYBE 4 types of cereal, they all have the same crap in them with different packaging. How about single use plastics for non-medical or food storage purposes cannot be made anymore?
How about it is illegal to not have a garden that is less than 70% of your lawn and two chickens on your property?


We havent gone tit for tat like you said, you just bootlicked companies that dont pay your salary, dont pay taxes and only pollute your surroundings for gains you will never see.

Those are pretty extreme ideas.........you can only produce 3 or 4 , government MANDATED items.

Let market economies drive that.

I tend to agree with packaging though. I'd prefer we go to the cereal store and there is a paid person distributing cereal to YOUR container. It would prob cost more due to the person being paid, but you'd eliminate how much packaging waste? It's a simple idea........it's easy to implement, and not too costly........and would save millions of lbs a year of waste.

You could use that model in a lot of places, including most takeout places.

WE already kind of use that in some grocery stores, where you bring your own bag.......An example of byob is Trader Joes. Also, when my wife and I were in Hawaii, all Target stores have bring your own bag. IF you don't have one, they sell you a cloth one, but YOU have to pay for it. I still have those bags we got in Hawaii, and we use them regularly at our Local Target stores. It's cool when folks ask about the cool Target bag and we share the story.

Now, I don't use them all the time, but we do use them.

Later,

Geo