Green Day and the USA

[ZoraSpook]

Ok I don’t really like the band but just maybe these guys hit it on the head 10 years ago and saw the divisiveness and separation we were heading for and at, and the real source, the media that fans it.

And before anybody goes bat- Schlick crazy, I’m a Veteran and I love my country and am just open enough to make the best of any impressions that might isolated problems.


Lyrics below, Green Day “ American Idiot”.
Don't wanna be an American idiot
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind-fu- - America
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alien nation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay
In television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue
Well, maybe I'm the faggot, America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
Now everybody, do the propaganda
And sing along to the age of paranoia
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alien nation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay
In television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue
Don't wanna be an American idiot
One nation controlled by the media
Information age of hysteria
It's calling out to idiot America
Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alien nation
Where everything isn't meant to be okay
In television dreams of tomorrow
We're not the ones who're meant to follow
For that's enough to argue

[Buzzy]

Yep. Its why you see so much hate today. People actually believe the news and hate their neighbor for it. Look at Geo.

[ZoraSpook]

Yep. Its why you see so much hate today. People actually believe the news and hate their neighbor for it. Look at Geo.

I’d just like to see the news report and support facts instead of so often exaggerating, inflaming, and distorting.
Silver lining is seeing recent actions where media folks and companies were called to task. I appreciate the news reporting what happened, they need get out of the business of trying to make us believe why it happened and what it means to us. Cause what they say it means often is distorted, exaggerated, and causes the hate.

[Devils Horse]

Freedom of the press is constitutionally protected, as it should be. But like freedom of speech it has become corrupted. The news media, once vital to keeping politicians and other interests honest, has become so biased it is ruinous to our country. Today's news media is little more than a political tool, and a complete prostitute to ratings. They will do or say virtually anything to get more viewers, be it fact or fiction.

[GeoFisher]

This is from 230:

If a news site falsely calls you a swindler, you can sue the publisher for libel. But if someone posts that on Facebook, you can’t sue the company — just the person who posted it.

That’s thanks to Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which states that “no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”

If a NEWSPAPER published you're a rapist and you are not, you could sue the paper and the writer.....What's teh difference??

THIS, IMHO is what is wrong with the freedom of speech "issues" with social media.

Later,

Geo

[Buzzy]

This is from 230:

If a news site falsely calls you a swindler, you can sue the publisher for libel. But if someone posts that on Facebook, you can’t sue the company — just the person who posted it.

That’s thanks to Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which states that “no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”

If a NEWSPAPER published you're a rapist and you are not, you could sue the paper and the writer.....What's teh difference??

THIS, IMHO is what is wrong with the freedom of speech "issues" with social media.

Later,

Geo

We know you want more people in jail and a more punitive environment with more laws. Law and Order!


You snowflakes will say the worst stuff on the planet only to come back and say this crap.

[ZoraSpook]

We know you want more people in jail and a more punitive environment with more laws. Law and Order!


You snowflakes will say the worst stuff on the planet only to come back and say this crap.

Not more people, more GUILTY people. Let’s quit blaming society for individual acts if lawlessness. The guilty can get societal support services while they are off the street in jail and not attacking or robbing innocent people.

You can stop repeat offenders by showing them the full consequences and having felt that pain they might be more motivated when we then show them how to avoid that again.

[Buzzy]

Not more people, more GUILTY people. Let’s quit blaming society for individual acts if lawlessness. The guilty can get societal support services while they are off the street in jail and not attacking or robbing innocent people.

You can stop repeat offenders by showing them the full consequences and having felt that pain they might be more motivated when we then show them how to avoid that again.

We have the largest prison population in the world in both physical population and per capita population. And you want more people in jail?

Land of the free my ass. Law and Order!

[ZoraSpook]

We have the largest prison population in the world in both physical population and per capita population. And you want more people in jail?

Land of the free my ass. Law and Order!

How do we get law and order without addressing this that violate that?
I think the prison population is a result of the behavior, it’s a result not a cause.
So let’s focus on the cause…. Lawlessness. And apply the fix, law and order. And then when the lawless are off the street train them to do better.

All systemic stuff aside, no matter what economic, racial, religious, or educational influences exist, the last decision to do or not do a lawless act resides with the individual. And its the individual that should be held accountable for that decision.

[Buzzy]

How do we get law and order without addressing this that violate that?
I think the prison population is a result of the behavior, it’s a result not a cause.
So let’s focus on the cause…. Lawlessness. And apply the fix, law and order. And then when the lawless are off the street train them to do better.

All systemic stuff aside, no matter what economic, racial, religious, or educational influences exist, the last decision to do or not do a lawless act resides with the individual. And its the individual that should be held accountable for that decision.

I would say law and order is being used and has been for a long time. The prison population shows that they are taking people off the streets.

The cause? The lack of mobility when you get one of these ludicrous charges for the rest of your life. Get a felony, and we know how many cheesy ones there are, kiss getting a job that will get you out of the mindset you might need to do some crime goodbye.

You are now a second class citizen.

That is what you want to see more of?

[ZoraSpook]

I would say law and order is being used and has been for a long time. The prison population shows that they are taking people off the streets.

The cause? The lack of mobility when you get one of these ludicrous charges for the rest of your life. Get a felony, and we know how many cheesy ones there are, kiss getting a job that will get you out of the mindset you might need to do some crime goodbye.

You are now a second class citizen.

That is what you want to see more of?

I agree a felony makes a severe dent, but I also agree that’s where we have to do better as a system to first give people a second chance if they truly are repentant after counseling and then with a first starter job show they are willing to get it right. With those 2 blocks checked, then as a system we need recognize the rehabilitation and make record expungements or purges available if….. if the applicant has checked all the blocks.

[Buzzy]

I agree a felony makes a severe dent, but I also agree that’s where we have to do better as a system to first give people a second chance if they truly are repentant after counseling and then with a first starter job show they are willing to get it right. With those 2 blocks checked, then as a system we need recognize the rehabilitation and make record expungements or purges available if….. if the applicant has checked all the blocks.

So we dont need to get the criminals off the streets but make a environment that allows for people make a better life more accessible? I agree now we are making progress at looking at the cause.

Its that a large majority of the country will hear someone has a charge from something silly and call them a career criminal without digging deeper. Or will not hire you because of some weed charge when you were 20. Society as a whole needs to get away from this punishment culture we live in if we want to make it better. We create an entire culture of second class citizens and then scream at them when they dont start their own companies because they cannot get a loan.


Its a joke, that only makes the problem worse.