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    RE: West Boggs Drawdown Complete

    “I don't understand why you would wait until the bass fishery is ruined before taking another step introducing another predator fish, like walleye, pike, musky, hybrid stripped bass or even flathead catfish, all of which would help keep the shad population in check to some extent, combined with your lowering of the lake level.”

    My first reaction to this is that it is probably all summed up in the first three words, where you said “I don’t understand…” Let’s just say you seem to understand differently. I’ve talked with the IDNR Biologist on this very idea for years, and they seem to have a different source of information than you do about how to best mange this particular fishery. Our fisheries management plan has been developed by the very capable folks out of the IDNR Avoca Fisheries office, who have a pretty good record at this sort of thing. With all due respect, I think we’ll stick with their advice for a while longer.

    “In my opinion that's like driving your car without changing the oil thinking you won't change it until the engine locks up, and then at that point it is to late. Preventative maintenance is a good thing.”

    Huh? Let’s look at this with another comparison. It is sort of like having a serious illness and your doctor begins a details series of tests to make sure you live as long as possible, prescribes some medicine and tells you a few things to do to help you feel better and make the best use of the time you have left. But your buddy Bubba at the bait shop thinks you should eat yellow root and wear your underwear on the outside of your cloths for a month. Who you going to listen to?

    “If you wait until the bass fishery is ruined, then how is the park going to receive revenue because it is a well known fact that most go to Boggs to fish for bass, without bass the visitors will decline.”

    Our most recent visitor survey was completed in 2004, and shows that only about 40% of our visitors fish while they are at the park, and a much smaller percentage target Bass. In fact, it was the reintroduction of shad and the biologists forcasts for the fishery which convinced us that we needed to rapidly build revenue streams that were not so tightly related to fishing. Today fishing of all types, provides about 20% of our revenue.

    “I was also wondering if anything ever came about of the reward for the midnight stockers. Has the culprit been caught, any leads? If not, what was done with the money raised for the reward?”

    We had a few leads on that but nothing that could be taken to court. The funds that were donated were used, as promised at the time, to assist in the purchase a new merry-go-round for a playground that should open in 2006. If you donated, the kids will thank you for you help.


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    RE: West Boggs Drawdown Complete

    I completely understand and agree with your decision to follow what the DNR has recommended. Can you explain why they wouldn't want to introduce another predator? I'm just curious. Are they worried about throwing the balance of the lake off after the shad have been reduced or is it something else?
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    RE: West Boggs Drawdown Complete

    Eric-
    I don’t want to speak for the IDNR folks on this at all, but I’ll give you my impression of what I think their reasoning might be. Keep in mind that I may not have all of the details straight here.

    The problem with shad presence is that the fishery is already out of balance, so worrying about that is a moot point. The normal progression of a gizzard shad infestation is that the fishery will decline regardless of any known management steps available. All of the options then are related to what managers can do with what is left.

    As I understand the current thinking, for the short term the abundance of young shad makes good feed for the bass. The bass will suffer later from a loss of recruitment, as the young bass have increasing difficulty surviving to adulthood.

    So, while the bass population is still making good use of the shad, it is seen as desirable allow them to do so to the largest degree possible. This consideration is prompted in part because bass are a preferred sport fishing species, and giving them the priority is seen as a way to get the most out of the fishery, for the time being.

    Introducing another large predator now would not prevent the inevitable decline due to the shad infestation, but would have the effect of competing with the adult bass. Later, when the bass population begins to decline as the adults die out and the young are not surviving to replace them, it might be decided to introduce another species. If that happens, it would still not be an effort to save the fishery, but to salvage as much use of it for anglers as possible.

    Eventually the only way to fix the problem is to kill it out and start over. And then we will have to realize that some well-meaning soul that thinks they know something we all don’t, will try to help out the bass again by bringing back shad. In modern fisheries management, that too seems to be a known factor that can be predicted.


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    RE: West Boggs Drawdown Complete

    It's might be a crazy idea but what about netting them, commercial style? you can sort out the wanted and unwanted fishes. If you get the netted fish in a holding tank fast enough, I don't think many will die.

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    RE: West Boggs Drawdown Complete

    Personally I have no information on this ever having been tried as a gizzard shad managmeent tool. If you know of qualifed research data out there somehere, point me to it. Without published findings by professional fisheries folks, after comprehensive research, I don't think any idea is subject to serious consideration in the field. I'm sure there are things out there that we don't know about yet, and maybe someday those ideas will become mainstream. Untill that happens people like me have no real choice but to follow the advise of the fisheries biologists. I feel fortunate that here in Indiana we have some very good ones.

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