Alright boys, thanks for the great info so far. Now some more ?'s. 1. Patoka looks wonderful from the pics. Are all the ramps in pretty decent shape? or name the "do not try to put in here ramps" 2. Is there just one ramp @ West Boggs? 3. This is the kicker right here! I need some more details on actual spots to fish. I promise I am a 100% catch and release, I will not harm any fish or "yalls" water to the best of my ability. I am just into it for the fun and love of the game. I will not even tell anybody down here where these spots are. Thanks again for the info, when i saw the grass part I just about lost it. B/C there is nothing better than a hogg blowing up on a buzzbait or a popper on top of a grass mat. THANKS