I'd have to agree, but the guys on here say you can't use them?? Oh me. I wish I would have asked before I went deer hunting this year too. It seems a .22 to the brain of a deer works fine. I am finding that most of the activities I have been involved with in the last year have been illegal some extent. I am going to change. First I'll stop using fresh crappie for grennel bait, that's a good place to start.