Tournament Cheater Suggestion....

[JBehr]

[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-06 AT 03:19AM (EST)[/font][p]Sounds like a good idea, but would be difficult to enforce. Looks like there could be a lot of legal ramifications if you weren't very careful.

Another thought: How about some sort of "Cheaters List" distributed to tournament directors in order to help prevent someone from cheating other groups? I realize there would be some logistics to set this up and maybe some legal details to work out, but it could help in the long run. Maybe KDFWR could set up a link on their tournament site and/or tournament directors/groups could put their names on a contact list. It would really be great if states would share this list as well, but I could see that becoming overwhelming in a hurry. Just my $0.02 worth.

Joe Behr

[Danny]

First problem, this is likely illegal. When I managed a grocery store, it was actually against the law to publically display bad checkes, or a list of names of those that had written bad checks. In other words, we could not tape a list of the names of the bad checks we had on hand, in front of our cashier's register. This makes me wonder if you could distribute such a list.

Secondly, you have a serious chance as people being wrongfully accused. I think your log in is Jbeher... so let's say your name is Joe Beher. Let's say in TN another Joe Beher cheats in a tournament and gets caught. His name is added to the list. You sign up for a tournament, and the director publically says you are not allowed because your name is on the list. Now folks think you are a cheater. I think that qualifies as slander for you.

I kind of like Jim's idea. I think there would have to be some messageing of the idea to decide how the repaid winnings would be distributed. Also, getting the money back is another thing. You can sue someone, and win, and the court orders them to pay you, but if they don't have the money, or have sufficiently hidden it, they can't be "made" to pay you.

I wish there were a simple answer. I certainly haven't been smart enough to come up with a good answer.

The best I can say is that if we are so consumed with concern of being cheated, then we need to quit fishing tournaments.

BTW, that's not the reason I have not been fishing T's.

Danny

[Tnstratos283]

Danny: I have got to ask you this question getting off the subject at hand for just a second. Is the deal you spoke of concerning bad checks written a Ky. law that you know of? In Tn. and the area I live they post the check and a list of the names of people NOT to take checks on. Also if convicted of writting a worthless check in a court of law they post a picture of you in the local paper saying your name and have been convicted of writting worthless checks in____county...ad paided for by the person. Just courious. Thanks 283 in Tn. >First problem, this is likely illegal.
>When I managed a grocery
>store, it was actually against
>the law to publically display
>bad checkes, or a list
>of names of those that
>had written bad checks. In
>other words, we could not
>tape a list of the
>names of the bad checks
>we had on hand, in
>front of our cashier's register.
>This makes me wonder if
>you could distribute such a
>list.
>
>Secondly, you have a serious chance
>as people being wrongfully accused.
>I think your log in
>is Jbeher... so let's say
>your name is Joe Beher.
>Let's say in TN another
>Joe Beher cheats in a
>tournament and gets caught. His
>name is added to the
>list. You sign up for
>a tournament, and the director
>publically says you are not
>allowed because your name is
>on the list. Now folks
>think you are a cheater.
>I think that qualifies as
>slander for you.
>
>I kind of like Jim's idea.
>I think there would have
>to be some messageing of
>the idea to decide how
>the repaid winnings would be
>distributed. Also, getting the money
>back is another thing. You
>can sue someone, and win,
>and the court orders them
>to pay you, but if
>they don't have the money,
>or have sufficiently hidden it,
>they can't be "made" to
>pay you.
>
>I wish there were a simple
>answer. I certainly haven't been
>smart enough to come up
>with a good answer.
>
>The best I can say is
>that if we are so
>consumed with concern of being
>cheated, then we need to
>quit fishing tournaments.
>
>BTW, that's not the reason I
>have not been fishing T's.
>
>
>Danny

[Danny]

It had to do with the state legislation regarding defamation and slander. I am not even sure it is still a law. This was back in the mid 80s that I managed a store. I still notice in the smaller stores that don't have scanners and a central computer that can be programmed with the account numbers, that they still do not display a list of people who have written bad checks.

However I don't know if the law still exists.

Danny

[artcarney_agr]

I like the "cheater's list" idea. The tournament director should have the right to refuse any entry in a tournament. If someone wants to enter and their name is on the "cheater's list", it's up to the tournament director whether or not to accept the entry.

I know when I was at Murray State, in regards to fraternity parties, there was a list distributed by the university to all fraternities that included names of individuals who were not allowed at any party due to their history of starting fights. The system worked and fights were greatly reduced.

Maybe with a "cheater's list", cheating may not be completely eliminated, but would be greatly reduced.