My partner and I have used Dave 4 or 5 guide trips in the past 3 years. We did not wear the fish out everytime we went out with Dave but, have always managed a few. Each time I have been out with him I have learned a ton of info. I have taken some of his techniques and applied them to other lakes and have cought fish when I would not have other wise. For example I would never have any confidence in a CA Rig. After Dave has shown me how I now love to throw the rig and can catch some good fish. I won't go in to more detail but, it is well worth the trip.