Ployboy, also nice post to you as well, and I certainly hope I did not offend you in any way. I have read and enjoyed all your posts in the past and respect your views and abilities as a fisherman. Most of the time I use 8 and 10lb. flouro. P-line makes a flourocarbon coated line that gives you the less visibility with the superior knot strengh as you are correct the knot breakage or slippage of flourocarbon can be a problem. You ought to try this line it's good stuff, and you can pull trees off the bottom with 10lb sometimes. In closing I would say I would like to fish with you sometime, as a decent smallmouth fisherman can always learn something from a fellow angler such as yourself. I fish the west end of Cumberland most of the time, therefore I speak of the clear water alot. Ocassional I'll venture up past Conley to the east end of lake and fish the dirtier, skinnier water but since I'm in love with them ole brown fish I always find my way back to my favorite haunts on the west end of the lake. I'm still learning every time out and hope to continue to learn until I die, about our great sport of fishing. I hope I did not come off as a no it all, because I'm anything but that. Those two lakes have almost brought me to humble pie tears before, and I'm sure they will again. Take care, Mark.