Thanks for the kind words guys. I would be happy to teach you how to eliminate water not only for ledges but for the other seasonal patterns also...I do these type trips quite often, as a matter of fact I am doing one today with a fellow that is having some difficulty in eliminating water...there is never a guarantee when bass fishing but you can certainly up your chances tremendously of putting fish in the boat if you learn how to eliminate water before you get on it and spend your time fishing "high percentage" areas rather than just running around the lake throwing lures here and there without knowing you have a more than reasonable chance to catch fish on those spots.