LJBASS, just wanted to say I appreciate your ethics when it comes to fishing. Imagine people actually reading maps and putting their time in to finding spots that hold fish, such a novel idea!! I read alot of posts saying that its part of the game and other unsportsman like stuff and I just cant figure it out. Just because some people might want to chew on a horse turd doesnt mean I want to and it doesnt mean thats how things should be. Now we got the pros promoting machines that make noises that make fish bite?? (KVD) Whats next?? and where does it end?? Ive heard of this machine that makes an electrical current and you stick this rod in the water and it makes fish float to the top of the water, and all you have to do is scoop'em up sounds like fun. Just wondering if we dont need to check ourselves sometimes and get back to the basics. I know I know "to each their own" thats why I love America. Hope I dont get this post locked up. ..................The fly