yea toby I feel your pain, we went there last year on halloween saturday and caught 35 in less than 3 hrs, and steve riley and charlie M were there and they said they had caught 80 some, it will turn on just might be january b/f it does. Im not sure on an alt site, you could always go right down the road to carnico, I caught a 7 there back in may and have caught quite a few 4 and 5s this year.