Thanks for responding guys, I feel better. I was on a houseboat as a guest about 15 years ago in July.No Thanks. It was a once and out experience. I like the solitude of Novemeber. I have always been treated well by the fisherman and deer hunters while on the ramp, lake or at the Lake Cumberland Bait Store( gourmet breakfast egg and sausage, gas and shiner store on 127 south of Jamestown). My grandson did mention last Friday that his sandwhich tasted like a shiner, I told him that was better than Hawg Jaw Garlic Juice I use on soft plastics.