FOR CTFSHWISHER: I was at Rough BEFORE the rains, not after the influx of water. The shallower parts of North Fork were definately turning over, I don't think the main channel/lake had started yet, but it won't be long. I think, in most years, the turnover happens a lot earlier than most people think it does. I also used to think it happened in October or even sometimes in November (in local lakes) but since I retired and fish more often, I have found that it actually happens in September--at least it has for the last six years.

FOR VMAX: I think you are reading and picking and choosing what you want to see/believe. I read that article a long time ago, along with a bunch more on the subject, and not one of them, including the article you mentioned says that you HAVE TO HAVE WIND for the turnover and by turnover I mean the breaking up of the thermocline, not necessarily when the surface water get ALL THE WAY to the bottom.

Do a search on Google for "Fall Turnover" and there are dozens of articles on the turnover. Not one that I could find, says anything about WIND BEING NECESSARY for the actual turnover. Most of them do say that wind helps to complete the process of mixing the oxygen back throughout the water column, but that is all.

Also, I don't think you read what I wrote, because I wasn't writing about when the temperature is the SAME from top to bottom, I said:

"when the water on top is colder then the water at the thermocline, the colder water will sink below and break up the thermocline. Wind will speed up the process, especialy the mixing of oxygen AFTER THE TURNOVER but wind is not necessary for the actual turnover."

I do agree that the surface water would have to be colder than the water at the BOTTOM to complete the MIXING OF OXYGEN, but every article I have seen refers to the TURNOVER as when the THERMOCLINE is broken, not when the surface water gets all the way to the bottom. Usually that will happen soon after the thermocline is broken and you get the bottom dredging, muck raking part of the turnover that brings the bottom water and debris to the top along with the foul smell, oily surface and debris floating on top.

However, if after reading some of the articles on Google about the turnover, and if you still think you are correct, would you please explain to me: HOW THE WIND GETS DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF A 55 FOOT DEEP LAKE!!