I say if you are going somewere don't go to cedar it almost skunked me today, only had 3 fish(12" to 16") all on the c rig and nothing past the tracks. Did not get bit on my jig today at all but then again I had a new c-rig outfit to tweek So I did not throw it as much as I normally do. Oh Windy got his first keeper there last Teusday it was 21" and went 5.6 I think the fish are shrinking.