Right on again John....ledges are definitely an overlooked pattern for jerkbaits. It's good to see you posting more on here now...good to have a tournament angler with your success background on the board here. Yeah, I guess the guiding can be testing at times but it is one of those occupations you really like or you don't. When you do it as much as I do you better like it or you need your head examined...lol...kind of like your life as a professional tournament angler and all the traveling, sponsor work etc, long hours on the water...if you didn't love it you need your head examined...lol.