Question for a moderator?

[stratosjoe]

I think maybe I will refrain from visiting this site which I am a senior member. Too many arm chair warriors who have never pulled a trigger and smelled someone else blood or vomit or seen their bowels still moving in the name of freedom. nuff said I won't be back and really don't care what you do with this post been there done that

[rudeZ20]

Well I started this post and seeings how all the tree hugging democrats have had their say here is mine. I DO believe there is a reason for these videos. I spent my time in Italy, Germany, Sinai Desert with the 82nd Airborne, 101st Air Assault, 8th ID, Multinational Force and Observers (MFO) and the Southern European Task Force (SETAF). I did my time as an Airborne Infantryman protecting a hell of a lot of folks over here in the FREE USA that I could really care less about. All of these folks that claim we should not be in Iraq should take a deep look at what happened during 911. We COULD have these type of incidents on a regular basis. Would that make you feel better? It makes me feel really good to see what we are doing over there, and yes that means taking the lives of the enemy. Better them than my family, my friends, or myself. It is a real crying shame that we have people that call themselves Americans and all they seem to be able to do is bitch about what the Amercan government does. YES I SERVED IN OUR MILITARY AND I FEEL I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT I WANT. If you spent your time then you should also. If you have not put your life on the line for your country then do not bitch about what is going on because you have NOT put yourself out at all. Peter, Jim, Andrew, and the other moderators, if you went to delete this then please do however when you do please delete me from your list (log on etc.) and I will gladly never visit this website again. This truly gets on my nerves!

Marty Martin

[jcb]

Well I started this post and seeings how all the tree hugging democrats have had their say here is mine.

Lifelong Republican here, and the only time I've ever hugged a tree was climbing down from a deer stand. I haven't voted for a liberal since...well...never. Voted for Bush in 2000, and held my nose and voted for him in 2004, held my nose because he abandoned the conservative principles he was elected on in 2000.

All of these folks that claim we should not be in Iraq should take a deep look at what happened during 911.

I understand 100% what happened during 9/11. I believe 100% in taking those guys out. I believe there are radical Islamists who hate our freedom and who believe their religion commands them to kill us.

But that's not why we invaded Iraq. The reason our leaders gave for war was that Saddam had WMD's-something we now know, hardly anyone in our government really believed, and I don't believe it either. There has never been any evidence Iraq was behind 9/11, and the fact that so many people believe otherwise is testimony to the power of repeating the same thing over and other until people believe it. After the invasion, we then committed the fatal error of failing to plan for success; we had no plan in place to stabilize the country after Saddam's government fell, or more accurately retreated.

And our being there has created thousands of the same misguided zealots who flew the two planes into the towers.

Marty, take a step back and read what you said. You believe we're fighting for freedom. Freedom of speech, however, only is available to those who served in the military:

If you have not put your life on the line for your country then do not bitch about what is going on because you have NOT put yourself out at all.

Do you really believe that? Our Founding Fathers thought freedom of speech was so important that it was part of the very first Amendment in the Bill of Rights. That freedom includes our right--no,*duty*--to disagree with the government, whether we've served in the military or not. I can give you a bazillion quotes from our Founding Fathers saying that very thing.

We probably agree on almost everything except whether or not we should be fighting this war. As Americans, we have to be able to accept our disagreements, or else the freedom our servicemen fight for doesn't mean anything at all.

[apb]

My comment had absolutely nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with the Iraq war. Simply, this is a family site and I see no reason to post graphic images of real people getting their heads blown off that young kids could see. Graphic violence in movies gets an R rating, this is a PG site.

Now, if you want to discuss the war, yes, I believe Iraq was a mistake from the start. I believe our leaders lead us into the war on false pretences. The war that we should be fighting with all we have is Afganistan. Al Quida trained there, was supported there, was being given refuge there, and was 100% responsible for 911. I was 100% behind the president in going over there and turning Taliban and Al Quida into worm food. We also need to be "winning the hearts and minds" of the people there so Al Quida, and groups like them, can never take hold again.

Going into Iraq under false pretenses just creates more Al Quida and similar ilk. Our resources should be directed 100% at Afganistan to insure we get it right over there. Iraq takes away from our concentration.

My 2 cents.

Andrew

[Moveon]

Have things changed since 2007. We are still talking about wars and politics and elections today just like we did back in 2007. Nothing has really changed much since then.

But wait we killed Bin Laden and have troops in Afghanistan as well as we took out the leader of Lybia and the Russians are in Syria and the Middle East today as well as they invaded the Ukraine and have taken back the Crimea.

Obama has been President now since 2008 Jan and Iran has agreed to stop making the atomic bomb. North Korea has the Atomic Bomb now and Missiles to deliver a bomb to US held Territories.

The first women is running for the Presidency and we have a businessman with zero political experience running for the Presidency.

The Earth just keeps on turning and turning no matter what we say and do. It just keeps spinning around and going around our sun.

[Dobe Mejuwa]

I don't think if belongs on fishin.com. Has nothing to do with fishin.


Peter

Neither does politics

[Dobe Mejuwa]

Peter's the man and what he says goes ----but I thought this was an "Off Topic" board of Fishin.com.... perhaps one of the other fishing websites will host it.... I personally do not want to view it having been there, done it, and got the t-shirt; however, let's not censor what others want to view ____ AFTER ALL, that's why we are over there killing the enemy for FREEDOM ---- the right to live life as we all choose (not for gas prices)..... tight lines

Thanks for your service, old guys like me can't do it anymore.

I rank such a video in the "lest we forget" category.

Them' like us that been won't benefit. Those that haven't won't really understand, they can see it but will never FEEL it.

But there are those who will see it for what it is. And gain some sense of understanding the kind of sacrifices being made for the freedoms so many now take for granted.

[Dobe Mejuwa]

Believe it or not, most would to see what is actually goin on over in Iraq. To see exactly what our military are up against day in and day out... What would you rather it be a dead Iraq soldier or a dead American Soldier.... I have seen this video, that is being spoken of..and it is a great piece of filming and shows what happens to bad guys....

Agree...if most Americans TRULY understood and or witnessed the kind of sacrifices our young men and women in arms make every day I am sure they would be in awe. And just maybe it would help us as a nation continue to find ways to make life easier on these folks when they hang up their spurs and come home.

IMHO.....there are just too few Americans that TRULY understand what these folks in arms have done and do everyday, and so can't concieve of the real debt we owe them.

Gary Owen!

[Moveon]

Agree...if most Americans TRULY understood and or witnessed the kind of sacrifices our young men and women in arms make every day I am sure they would be in awe. And just maybe it would help us as a nation continue to find ways to make life easier on these folks when they hang up their spurs and come home.

IMHO.....there are just too few Americans that TRULY understand what these folks in arms have done and do everyday, and so can't concieve of the real debt we owe them.

Gary Owen!

If not for the guys that volunteer to join the US Military and defend our country old guys like me would have to do it.

So I'm very thankful that the young men and women volunteer to work in our Armed Forces. Without them we would be vulnerable to attack from other countries.

But I sometimes wonder what our leaders are doing by sending these wonderful young men and women into harms way. Some of the last few wars could have been avoided IMHO. Some were necessary IMHO. The time when Bush Sr sent the troops into Kuwait to repel the Iraqi Army was the right decision.

The troops just do what they are ordered to do. That is what they are trained to do. And we should support these men and women when they return home again. They should be given good jobs and a roof over their head. They should be given the money to get educated too. The VETs should be well treated not taken advantage of by the VA health care system too.