Where do you plan on fishing? The Ohio river is a hot spot right now, but you have to have fresh shad. The river is full of them. The fish we caught were in 15-26 feet right off a drop off. Paylakes are turning back on with the cooler weather. Use shrimp (fresh) not frozen,or chicken breast shooked in strawberry koolaid. There has been a few pulled out of Rough, they were off off cut up bluegill,and chicken livers. I dont know where or how deep, sorry. Farm ponds are a good choice this time off year. The water is starting to clear up since the cows are not getting in them as much as in the summer. I like to use livers and cut bait in ponds. Hope this helps, good luck and have fun.