Dem Debate

[apb]

So which is worse, a "tax and spend" liberal or a borrow and spend conservative?

Andrew

[apb]

"Ronald Reagan took office and the hostages were released immediately. Why do suppose that was?"

Beginings of Iran/Contra may be??

DH, I do agree with you about Carter, I don't think he did that good a job as pres. Clinton had faults too, as they all do. Over all, I don't think he did as bad a job as some of you conservatives suggest.

Andrew

[DJD]

So who do you guy's think gave the best performance? I think Hillary showed more "hangy down things" than Obama. He is so slick and greasy it's scary. You cannot nail him down on anything. But I guess as long as he is a good speaker he will do a great job huh? Look how many times he just gets a pass at the questions. The real tough questions go to Hillary first and then he says I agree with her?? Come on! Look at how Louis Farrakhan endorses Obama and then even though he doesn't agree with his opinions or statements about other religions he can't man up and flat out refuse his support! Farrakhan is a racist in the highest order why would Obama not instantly distance himslef from this man? But then again he is for "change".
Tim Russert nailed these two last night and it was great.

[apb]

...Look at how Louis Farrakhan endorses Obama and then even though he doesn't agree with his opinions or statements about other religions he can't man up and flat out refuse his support! Farrakhan is a racist in the highest order why would Obama not instantly distance himslef from this man? But then again he is for "change".....

Obama has stated on several occassions that he does not support Farrakhan and does not agree with his positions.

Andrew

[apb]

"I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan," Obama said in the statement. "I assume that Trumpet Magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree." A few other comments along those lines were said by Obama and are reported on a number of sites.

I did not watch the debates, so really cannot comment on them.

Andrew

[DJD]

What surprised me and the Moderators of the debate was that he would not firmly say that I do not want his support. He danced around it and smiled and leaned toward what he should say. I guess I look at race issues like this....what would happen if a radical, racist, middle aged white guy who was the head of a large organization proclaimed he now supported McCain? I am confident two things would happen firstly, the liberal media would take this and run with it and secondly, he would denounce the support because of the backlash from the offended religions. Just seems like a double standard to me. I believe (hope) this will come up again during the race to the Whitehouse.

[PL]

What surprised me and the Moderators of the debate was that he would not firmly say that I do not want his support. He danced around it and smiled and leaned toward what he should say. I guess I look at race issues like this....what would happen if a radical, racist, middle aged white guy who was the head of a large organization proclaimed he now supported McCain? I am confident two things would happen firstly, the liberal media would take this and run with it and secondly, he would denounce the support because of the backlash from the offended religions. Just seems like a double standard to me. I believe (hope) this will come up again during the race to the Whitehouse.

Put the koolaid down and for once in your life pay attention to this word Obama used when asked about farrakhan.

de·nounce (d-nouns)
tr.v. de·nounced, de·nounc·ing, de·nounc·es
1. To condemn openly as being evil or reprehensible. See Synonyms at criticize.
2. To accuse formally.
3. To give formal announcement of the ending of (a treaty).


Now he used that word probably 5 times so do you think he wants his support? I sure in the hell don't think so. Better get used to Obama since he'll be the next president......BTW he did used the word reject also.....You and others here need to watch something besides the fix news network for a change lord knows ya'll need it.........

[DJD]

I watched the debate and it took the Moderator several attempts to get a half hearted response from him. (Roger Clemens was more convincing and he is lying as well). He is wrong for this country and to think otherwise is crazy. What is it about him that you like? Is it because he is the best that the Dems have to offer or were you pulling for him from the start? I'm not going to attack your opinions I just want to know what you guys see in him. I'm curious?

[Col Forbin]

I don't undestand how he could be viewed as "wrong for this country." I have read his stance on all of his issues, and they make complete sense to me, and he has not waivered from those views as many of the others in this race have. On the other hand I don't see how someone who mimmicks our current president, as McCain does, can seem right for this country. Bush was an obvious failure in almost every aspect of his administrative duties - and I don't see how anyone can argue that. We obviously need some reform, and he seems like the only one left in this race that is committed to change. I highly suggest to anyone to look at Obama's website and read his philosophies and views on the major issues - they make sense. I have looked at McCain's, read over his issues, and studied them - and he seems content in continuing and adding to a crappy legacy that Bush founded.

[DJD]

I don't undestand how he could be viewed as "wrong for this country." I have read his stance on all of his issues, and they make complete sense to me, and he has not waivered from those views as many of the others in this race have. On the other hand I don't see how someone who mimmicks our current president, as McCain does, can seem right for this country. Bush was an obvious failure in almost every aspect of his administrative duties - and I don't see how anyone can argue that. We obviously need some reform, and he seems like the only one left in this race that is committed to change. I highly suggest to anyone to look at Obama's website and read his philosophies and views on the major issues - they make sense. I have looked at McCain's, read over his issues, and studied them - and he seems content in continuing and adding to a crappy legacy that Bush founded.

I don't agree on everything either candidate has to say. How in the world is Obama going to fund the universal healthcare idea? He says by repealling the tax cuts for incomes over 250K? That's it huh? You know better than that. Aren't you taxed enough? How and when does it end? I don't want the government in every aspect of my life and making decisions for me. Why does that sound so good to you? The government controlling anything goes south wouldn't you agree? If not tell me a few things that they (dem and rep) have done that runs as good as the private sector? There is no accountability with them they have a never ending supply of money and ideas and that's dangerous.

[apb]

"I don't want the government in every aspect of my life and making decisions for me. Why does that sound so good to you? "

I don't want the govt in every aspect of my life either, for the reasons you stated. Given this, why is it that soooo many repubs want the govt to legislate morality and similar "family value" issues?

Andrew

[DJD]

Help me out Andrew what are you talking about? I'm not connecting the dots here maybe it's this cold I seem to love because I can't get rid of it.