.45 cents per Gallon

[DJD]

Did you see that on the news? Saudi Arabia pays that for a gallon of regular gas! Actually, now that I think of it maybe it was per liter? Either way I never thought about what the Saudi's pay. Man running to those far away lakes would be a no brainer with those prices!

[Grumpy]

That is the price they pay for gasoline from oil that is found within their own boundries, refined in their own refineries and sold by thier own gas companies. I wonder what Americans would be paying if we were to get rid of all the tree huggers and do the same thing!!!

Grumpy

[Moose1am]

Gumby:
What's your problem with Conservationists? Are you one of those typical smoke stack suckers that hates the tree huggers. You are hanging out with the wrong crowd.

By buying a car that gets better gas mileage it would decrease the demand and bring the price of Oil down. Attacking the smart conservationist will do nothing to bring the price of gasoline down.

In fact it would increase the usage of gasoline and further increase the price as the supply lessened as the demand rose.

Attacking the messenger won't cure the problems.

So please get a grip and stop attacking the people who will help this country learn to stop driving those big gas guzzling SUV and start to buy more Hybrid and in the future fuel cell powered vehicles.

Our national security is at stake.

You silly if you believe that we can drill out way out of this mess. We have already drilled out most of the easily obtainable oil and now we are faced with the fact that we have used up almost all the oil.

We have passed the "tipping point".

The price of oil will continue to rise as long as OPEC set the price by controlling the supply.

And the last I heard the leaders of OPEC are not tree huggers. There are no trees left in Saudi Arabia. It's a desert.

That is the price they pay for gasoline from oil that is found within their own boundaries, refined in their own refineries and sold by thier own gas companies. I wonder what Americans would be paying if we were to get rid of all the tree huggers and do the same thing!!!

Grumpy

[Grumpy]

Moose, you didn't read nor even try to understand what I wrote. You are so wrapped up in your Democrat politics that you can't see anything else. I would be willing to bet that you even believe Al Gore about Global Warming in spite of the fact that the vast majority of scientists agree that "man made global warming" is a myth and a hoax.

Grumpy

[VMAXX]

+1 on the tree hugger haters,
Sorry Moose but I lump the tree huggers right in their with the Peta people

[MsgMills]

+2 against all Tree Huggers and PETA People....

[DJD]

Yep I'm in I'll third that nomination! Especially the peater' people.

[apb]

Personally, I like trees. My favorite plugs are made from wood. If it weren't for trees, my tackle box would be a whole lot lighter. Besides, I know of a few tree areas where bass hang out. Not sure what is wrong with People Eating Tasty Animals either. Kind of like a little red meat from time to time. Its the green fuzzy stuff that I'm not too wild about.

Grumpy, got a link or reference for the vast majority of scientists agreeing that man made global warming is a hoax?

Andrew

[Grumpy]

apb, I am not a scientist but I am well read and have an excellent memory for what I read. Long before there was mention of ozone holes and the rest of the "sky is falling" frenzy, I was able to figure out that this earth is in the beginning stages of another Ice Age. In the early stage of an Ice Age, the earth starts to warm up and the polar caps melt. In another 25,000 to 30,000 years we are going to be in the full blown Ice Age.

Anyhow, to answer you question about links, except for one that I just saw yesterday, most the the connections are in my memory. I have read a great many newspaper, magazine and on line articles that bebunk the "man made global warming" hoax but you they are not easy to find and are few and far between because the Demograt controlled major media outlets all tout the Al Gore line and only report anything to the contrary on the back pages or in very short clips.

Here is a link to a recent column about scientific opinions:

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/al_gore_global_warming/2008/05/19/97307.html


Grumpy

[Moose1am]

Gumby:
You are so wrong and must be reading the wrong articles. Mostly I think you are filtering your reading material and only including material approved by Rush Limbaugh and EXXON.

Expand your reading materials to include some well known Scientific Magazines that are not controlled by politicians.

Here is what bothers me. We have Politicians like **** Cheney going around the federal government and telling Scientist to not talk about Global Warming. He and others like him are trying to muzzle the real scientist who are trying to tell the truth.

Then we also have GOP controlled Fox Noise going around and blatantly lying about the truth on global warming.

There is no conspiracy by the Major News Outlets to favor the Democrats as all those outlets are owned by multimillionaires not democrats.

Fox is run by the X GOP chairman and is about the only cable network that leaning to the right. The rest of the media out lets are basically neutral and posting the truth.

All you have to do grumpy is get up in an airplane and fly over the North Pole or the South Pole this summer and see the lack of ice. It's the easiest way to prove that the earth is warming up and the result is the melting of the polar ice caps.

The record in the ice shows that the amount of CO2 has been building up in the ice cores. And our NASA and NOAA are both saying that the earth is warming up.

Even Bush and McCain have said that global warming it really happening.

Now what to do about it. Lets start the debate there. I am not sure but I fear that you have an agenda or need to expand your reading list.

It's pretty easy to see that we are burning more and more coal every decade over the last 200 years. We went from digging coal by hand to digging coal with powerful mining machines that run 24/7.

They use to haul coal by horse and cart and today we have Giant Trucks with Wheels 12 ft tall that hold 65 tons of coal in one truck.

And we have so many power plants now just in the Midwest area that the air is so polluted from burning coal that it's raining sulfuric acid mist.

I think that the people at the National Weather Service know a thing or two about the weather.

The bottom line is that all the real scientist are telling us that that Global Warming is real.

The reason why some people are saying what you say is to try to fool the people into believing a falsehood.

Now having studied a little bit about Geology and the past Ice Ages I can assure you that back 10,000 years ago we didn't have many Homosapiens running around on this planet.

And who knows if mankind will even be around in another 30,000 years.

What the real experts have been telling us is that if we don't start to address this problem of Global Warming sooner rather than later we could all be in trouble

Now I'll listen to the scientists that study this planet for a living and I tend to Ignore what the Stupid Political talking heads on Fox Noise have to say.

Fox is not a legitimate news outlets... It's the political setup child of the GOP and has been since it's inception. The only thing good on Fox Noise is Greta and shes a LAWYER not a journalist. The only thing you need on your resume to get on Fox Noise is to be a long legged blond with blue eyes and skinny as Ann Counter. Sorry but that's the truth. I won't go into the reason why Fox is allowed to even broadcast but suffice it to say that 30 years ago they would have not been allowed to broadcast their cra( on the airwaves. It would have been against the law that was on the book since the 1930's.

BTW: I am a Scientist... I use to wonder if the warming was caused by the sun or man kind. Now I know it's both. But we are adding to the heating with our rapid burning of fossil fuels. There is not denying that we are the cause and the solution to present global warming.

As long as we continue to burn oil, coal and other carbon based products at the current rates we will have to worry about Global Warming. It's that simple

apb, I am not a scientist but I am well read and have an excellent memory for what I read. Long before there was mention of ozone holes and the rest of the "sky is falling" frenzy, I was able to figure out that this earth is in the beginning stages of another Ice Age. In the early stage of an Ice Age, the earth starts to warm up and the polar caps melt. In another 25,000 to 30,000 years we are going to be in the full blown Ice Age.

Anyhow, to answer you question about links, except for one that I just saw yesterday, most the the connections are in my memory. I have read a great many newspaper, magazine and on line articles that debunk the "man made global warming" hoax but you they are not easy to find and are few and far between because the Democrat controlled major media outlets all tout the Al Gore line and only report anything to the contrary on the back pages or in very short clips.

Here is a link to a recent column about scientific opinions:

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/al_gore_global_warming/2008/05/19/97307.html


Grumpy

[Moose1am]

Gumby:
I am not sure how to put this to you. But you really need to get an education.

I can't begin to teach you what it took me years of college to learn.

My major was Science which included classes in Historical Geology.

I learned from Professor with Ph D's, not some guy on the Internet who quotes Fox Noise and something that he recalls from his excellent memory. BTW what college did you earn your degree from. Did you major in Environmental Science or Political Science?

Even McCain conceded that Global Warming is Real.

James Wolsey, former CIA director, even drives a hybrid because he knows that global warming is opening up the Northwest passage allowing enemy submarine to lurk just North of Canada well within missile ranges of Washington DC. You do know about the search for the famous Northwest Passage that was never found until recent polar ice melting gave it real meaning?

Gumby go to the NOAA and the NASA web sites and other legitimate web sites and learn something. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and Fox Noise as they are the ones leading you down the drain and making you look foolish with your claims that there is some kind of conspiracy with the Major New Media and that they are not telling us the truth.

It was discovered that **** Cheney had been suppressing government scientists that were told to not talk about global warming. When you get a stupid **** politician like Cheney muzzling scientists that makes it obvious that political tricks are being use to further **** Cheney's financial interests and not the interests of the majority of the American Public.

[Moose1am]

Not sure how old you are Grumpy but here in the USA gasoline was selling for 25 cents per gallon back in the early 1960. Back in the days before we have three cars in every driveway and there was a gas station on every corner. Back in the days when the gas station attendant would check your oil, clean your windshield and pump the gas for you. Back in the days before we used up all the oil in our own country. Back before we had to depend on Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela and Kuwait for our oil supplies. Back in the days when there was still ice building up in the Glaciers in Alaska and on the Mountain tops North of the Indian Subcontinent.

That is the price they pay for gasoline from oil that is found within their own boundries, refined in their own refineries and sold by thier own gas companies. I wonder what Americans would be paying if we were to get rid of all the tree huggers and do the same thing!!!

Grumpy