.45 cents per Gallon

[thebassman30]

Blaaaaaahhhuuuuuuuppppchuck .....vomit! I was reading until you started mentioning political names. Most politicians are so self consumed that they can't get out of the way of people who want to help. It's all about control and power with them.

Oil
Economic basics start with supply and demand. We need to tap our reserves in Alaska...with care...the environment must be protected. We also need to upgrade our existing refineries to make them more efficient and cleaner.

On a micro level, we need to be conserving gas. Whatever that takes....hydro convertions, fuel cells, whatever....growing our fuel is not the answer. That's where good old American ingenuity comes in.....we can do it! I want to pay less that 5¢ a mile to tow my boat with a V8. Can someone hook a brother up?

One final note....If lottery tickets are a tax on the mathematically challenged, then what/whom are offset credits taxing? Mentally challenged? Mentally disturbed? What did we do before the ACLU, lobbyists and scientologists? How much does a volcanic eruption effect our atmospher in comparison with our impact? I wonder if China, Russia or Mexico have offset credits? hmmmm?

Grab your pipe and hippy lettuce and get to work on that will ya...lol.

[Moose1am]

Supply and demand have set the price of goods ever since the first cities were developed.

But, right now we have a situation similar to the De Beers Diamond Company. We have a few countries that have a MONOPOLY on one item, OIL. Now in the USA monopolies are against the law. OPEC is a Oil monopoly just like De Beers was a monopoly on diamonds. Today others can make diamonds and they also found diamonds in Canada. So the De Beers diamond monopoly is broken somewhat these days.

OPEC artificially makes oil scarce and manipulates the supply to raise the price of this commodity. If OPEC would open the pumps and put more Oil into the market the price of oil would come down. But, if we are really running out of oil that's a totally different story. We were told thirty years ago that oil was going to run out. We were warned that the price of oil would skyrocket when we reached the "tipping point". The tipping point is the point in time where we have used 1/2 or more of all the known oil reserves. The last amount of oil is harder to get out of the ground and it's going to cost a fortune. This is what the X perts have been saying to us for the last 30 years. Now if that point in time is really here then we are all in big trouble right now. We have not heeded the warming. In fact we have built more SUV than before in the past 5 years. Instead of conserving we have ramped up our consumption. A few people have tried to conserve and have purchased a small cars and such but the vast majority of Americans are still driving big V8's and that's not conserving.

On the news last night they were talking about the prices of large and small vehicles. Smaller more fuel efficient vehicles are costing more these days and it's hard to see the big old gas guzzling SUV.

OK lets say that you drill in all the areas of the USA that have not been explored first. And we can save ANWAR ,the wildlife sanctuary for later.

I was glad that you said "Carefully". Not many are thoughtful enough to even say something like that. In fact if the Oil companies have been drilling carefully all along they could probably drill anywhere they wanted today. But their track record is not the best. Even if we drilled and found some oil in ANWAR it would take ten years to get it out of the ground and it would not last very long. It would barely make a dent in our our supply. That's the economics of trying to drill in ANWAR.

Our best best is Conservation. In fact with a increase in the amount of mileage that new cars get we could save more oil than we could drill in ANWAR for the next 50 years (if there was oil there in the first place which we really don't know) This ,conservation, is being forced on us today through the higher gasoline prices.

Conservation is our quickest and least expensive option.

Making more fuel efficient vehicles that get 40 to 50 mpg would save us billions of gallons of oil in the long run and send an important message to OPEC. I just read where Honda (Japanese Firm) is coming out next year with a new hybrid.

Another Option that the USA looked at back in the Late 1970's was Synfuel Plants. These plants take Coal and extract hydrocarbons from the coal to make high grade synthetic coal. They could be made and the pollution controlled and give us an option to OPEC oil. When the USA looked into this technology the Saudis blinked and they dropped the price of OIL and opened up the taps back in the 1970's after the OPEC oil embargo. Most of you guys that are older will remember having to wait in line to get gasoline. Basically gasoline was being rationed.


I personally hope to see us go with the Fuel Cell Powered Cars that run on Hydrogen. They can be built powerful and fast and stylish. Right now major countries are running their submarines using Fuel Cell Power. We have plenty of water on Earth. And with sunlight being used to make electricity we can spit the water atom into and get Hydrogen gas and Oxygen. The fuel cell gets it power by combining Oxygen and Hydrogen back together which gives energy and water as the end result. There is no pollution what so ever.

This is what's needed .

Dream on if you think you can continue to drive that V8 and pull that Big boat when gas prices hit $7.00/gallon.

I thought that they were just barking into the wind when the talking heads on TV said three months ago that we would have $4 gal gas by Memorial Day but yesterday they put the price up on the sign and it reads $3.999/gallon. Folks 4 dollar per gallon gas is here now. And the rate of increase is INCREASING.


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[DJD]

The silver lining in this oil crisis is that we are being forced to search out new sources we would never do it on our own. Many companies make tons of money with the present procedures and policies in place so why change? I hope we distance ourselves from OPEC and that when they drop their prices to get us back that we don't fall for that again.

[Bobby Headrick]

Moose I agree with you 100%. Fuel cells are the way to go for all vechicles, trucks cars boats. Honda has a fuel cell car out now, they also make boat motors so maybe they will come up with one. We can use wind, solar, hydro and nuke for elec, Hydro would be great as it would aslo benifit us fishermen and the enviroment. The reason we are so fixed on fossil fuels is that oil and coal have always been associted with greed. Just look at the history of these fuels, a lot of bloodshed for these fossil fuels. Why money money money the same familys. corps etc have been running our fossil fuels componies for years. We need to open our eyes and ears and use common sense, which FOX and the current administration lack, this is the most greedy, self rightous, self centered, thoughtless and plain lying and deceiving administration that I have ever seen, and FOX"might be news" but bs, is the most biased on TV. Enough said. As I could get on a soapbox and go on and on. We as a country need to work together and come together to fix this problem. We must do it ourselfs as our leaders do not seem to care, if they did we would not be paying 4.00$ gallon. We need to quit fussing and start fixing.

[DJD]

""We need to open our eyes and ears and use common sense, which FOX and the current administration lack, this is the most greedy, self rightous, self centered, thoughtless and plain lying and deceiving administration that I have ever seen, and FOX"might be news" but bs, is the most biased on TV. Enough said.""

You have not seen much if you stand by that statement. Every administration has had it's problems if not name one of your favorites you lived through and lets pick it apart? Lets not forget to add in Terrorists attacks on our soil with Democrats and Republicans screaming for answers from the U.S. Intelligence sources. It's easy to blame the President on this one but that don't make it right.
As far as the oil crisis, this is not a George Bush problem or his administration or even Congress it's a history of greed from the corporations and poliicians of this country and OPEC.
Fox scares people who drink the Liberal kool-aid....JMO

[bassin_bug]

I heard something on TV yesterday that said there are billions of gallons of oil (yes, billions) that haven't yet been tapped on the continental shelf off the coast of Florida. I'm sure you've heard of the Alaska Wilderness oil supply, as well.

The scientist that I was listening to said that oil is a renewable resource, unlike prior belief that once an oil pool was empty it wouldn't refill itself. He said that the United States has enough oil to supply itself if the oil wells are drilled and refineries are built.

I agree that oil is a renewable resource because the Gilbertown, Alabama oil field (the first in Alabama, I think discovered in the 1940's) has been shut down for about 35-40 years because they thought all the oil had been pumped out. NOW, today, they are working cleaning and re-opening those very same oil wells and they have as much, or more, oil in them now than when first drilled.

This is not a rumor, I know what I'm saying because I own real estate about 1/2 mile from one oil well, and 1-1/2 miles from two wells owned by my uncle and first cousin, respectively. They are not even in Gilbertown Oil Field and they're also being cleaned and re-opened.

We shouldn't blame "big oil" altogether. OPEC and the United States Government are the reason things have gotten into the mess it's in. We have senators and congressmen who hold hearings about every ten years on the price of oil, and that's the end of it for another ten years. The only reason they do it is to make people think they're doing something about it so they'll stop complaining. In my opinion, the senators and congressmen have deep pockets and aren't about to upset the money coming in from lobbyists.

[Stonewall2002]

Gumby:
What's your problem with Conservationists? Are you one of those typical smoke stack suckers that hates the tree huggers. You are hanging out with the wrong crowd.

By buying a car that gets better gas mileage it would decrease the demand and bring the price of Oil down. Attacking the smart conservationist will do nothing to bring the price of gasoline down.

In fact it would increase the usage of gasoline and further increase the price as the supply lessened as the demand rose.

Attacking the messenger won't cure the problems.

So please get a grip and stop attacking the people who will help this country learn to stop driving those big gas guzzling SUV and start to buy more Hybrid and in the future fuel cell powered vehicles.

Our national security is at stake.

You silly if you believe that we can drill out way out of this mess. We have already drilled out most of the easily obtainable oil and now we are faced with the fact that we have used up almost all the oil.

We have passed the "tipping point".

The price of oil will continue to rise as long as OPEC set the price by controlling the supply.

And the last I heard the leaders of OPEC are not tree huggers. There are no trees left in Saudi Arabia. It's a desert.

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Keep on chuckin'

[Stonewall2002]

Gumby:
I am not sure how to put this to you. But you really need to get an education.

I can't begin to teach you what it took me years of college to learn.

My major was Science which included classes in Historical Geology.

I learned from Professor with Ph D's, not some guy on the Internet who quotes Fox Noise and something that he recalls from his excellent memory. BTW what college did you earn your degree from. Did you major in Environmental Science or Political Science?

Even McCain conceded that Global Warming is Real.

James Wolsey, former CIA director, even drives a hybrid because he knows that global warming is opening up the Northwest passage allowing enemy submarine to lurk just North of Canada well within missile ranges of Washington DC. You do know about the search for the famous Northwest Passage that was never found until recent polar ice melting gave it real meaning?

Gumby go to the NOAA and the NASA web sites and other legitimate web sites and learn something. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and Fox Noise as they are the ones leading you down the drain and making you look foolish with your claims that there is some kind of conspiracy with the Major New Media and that they are not telling us the truth.

It was discovered that **** Cheney had been suppressing government scientists that were told to not talk about global warming. When you get a stupid **** politician like Cheney muzzling scientists that makes it obvious that political tricks are being use to further **** Cheney's financial interests and not the interests of the majority of the American Public.

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KEEP ON CHUCKIN'

[Stonewall2002]

Gumby:
I am not sure how to put this to you. But you really need to get an education.

I can't begin to teach you what it took me years of college to learn.

My major was Science which included classes in Historical Geology.

I learned from Professor with Ph D's, not some guy on the Internet who quotes Fox Noise and something that he recalls from his excellent memory. BTW what college did you earn your degree from. Did you major in Environmental Science or Political Science?

Even McCain conceded that Global Warming is Real.

James Wolsey, former CIA director, even drives a hybrid because he knows that global warming is opening up the Northwest passage allowing enemy submarine to lurk just North of Canada well within missile ranges of Washington DC. You do know about the search for the famous Northwest Passage that was never found until recent polar ice melting gave it real meaning?

Gumby go to the NOAA and the NASA web sites and other legitimate web sites and learn something. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and Fox Noise as they are the ones leading you down the drain and making you look foolish with your claims that there is some kind of conspiracy with the Major New Media and that they are not telling us the truth.

It was discovered that **** Cheney had been suppressing government scientists that were told to not talk about global warming. When you get a stupid **** politician like Cheney muzzling scientists that makes it obvious that political tricks are being use to further **** Cheney's financial interests and not the interests of the majority of the American Public.

Wow... it only took a few days before you bust out the Cheney conspiracy theories! Good for you... Im amazed you kept your tin foil hat off for that long.

The domination of the Media by the political left is not a conspiracy, it is a proven fact. The last survey I read (2007) showed that 85% of those employed by the major media outlets voted for John F'n Kerry in 2004. Now that to me sounds like a monoply for sure. Perhaps you should read something other than the Daily Kos, Democratic Underground, Move-on dot Org, the NY times, you local Labor Union, and CNN in order to gather you left wing propaganda. Open your eyes brother, youve been duped by a bunch of eggheads and socialist. I almost feel bad for you..... almost.

Keep on chuckin'

[Stonewall2002]

That is the price they pay for gasoline from oil that is found within their own boundries, refined in their own refineries and sold by thier own gas companies. I wonder what Americans would be paying if we were to get rid of all the tree huggers and do the same thing!!!

Grumpy

Grumpy..... if I ever run into you out on the watter I sure as hell gonna buy you a beer! One of the few voices of reason arround here. Keep up the good work and keep the faith!

Some cant seem to grasp simple economics (Moose Tracks) because they have ingested too much propaganda from their "brothers" (clasic socialist termonology) in their union.

Keep on chuckin'

[Grumpy]

Thanks, Stonewall.

Grumpy

[Stonewall2002]

Moose I agree with you 100%. Fuel cells are the way to go for all vechicles, trucks cars boats. Honda has a fuel cell car out now, they also make boat motors so maybe they will come up with one. We can use wind, solar, hydro and nuke for elec, Hydro would be great as it would aslo benifit us fishermen and the enviroment. The reason we are so fixed on fossil fuels is that oil and coal have always been associted with greed. Just look at the history of these fuels, a lot of bloodshed for these fossil fuels. Why money money money the same familys. corps etc have been running our fossil fuels componies for years. We need to open our eyes and ears and use common sense, which FOX and the current administration lack, this is the most greedy, self rightous, self centered, thoughtless and plain lying and deceiving administration that I have ever seen, and FOX"might be news" but bs, is the most biased on TV. Enough said. As I could get on a soapbox and go on and on. We as a country need to work together and come together to fix this problem. We must do it ourselfs as our leaders do not seem to care, if they did we would not be paying 4.00$ gallon. We need to quit fussing and start fixing.

Dream dream dream....... You can forget the idea of expanding Hydro-electric power generation. Numerous lawsuits have been filed out west attempting to REMOVE existing dams because the interfere with the natural flow of the waterway, thereby endangering one protected species or another. As much as I would like to see it happen, it wont.

The technology does not exist to create a battery (fuel cell) that can perform at the levels required by the average US driver, let alone someone who tows something, say a boat. The only possible alternative to the "Battery Car" is the hydrogen fuel cell, but that to is not feasible in today's environment.

There are three major problems with a hydrogen fuel-cell engine:

1) Infrastructure. Today there exists no means for fueling these vehicles. In order to refill your car, every gas station in the nation would be required to install tanks capable of SAFELY (see point #2 below) storing and fill cars with hydrogen. This would cost billions of dollars, the cost of which will be passed along to you and I. Couple this with the need to construct a massive fleet of container vehicles to transport fuel from point a to point b and you have a huge expenditure that must be paid for some how.

2) Hydrogen is highly volatile. For proof of this one has to simply watch the old news reels of the Hindenburg disaster. Containing hydrogen, a gas, is quite difficult, especially under pressure. One tiny spark or collision and BOOM! No survivors. The amount of engineering required to design and produce a safe hydrogen fuel-cell would probably put the cost of one of these "wonder vehicles" out of reach for most Americans. Personally I don't like the idea of toting my family around in what amounts to a car bomb.

3) Point three is my favorite because most of the Marxist-Leninist environmental wack jobs tend to forget this when the opining about the virtues of the hydrogen fuel cell. When hydrogen is mixed with oxygen for combustion there is still exhaust. True this exhaust is water, so far so good. But what they fail to see is what happens to water when it is heated, say by sitting on the top of a 120 degree interstate highway in the middle of summer. It turns to water vapor, which is more of a green house gas than CO2. Therefore by using this supposed "miracle" technology they are actually doing the exact opposite of what they intend to do, create a pristine environment free from all that nasty CO2 (a naturally occurring gas by the way). Not to mention the high humidity levels in places that are usually dry. Now imagine the problems created in winter up north by all of that water vapor.

As far as your idea of putting a high speed "fuel cell" motor on your boat. well I hope you drive a barge because the weight and amount of space requited is not proportional to the power you get out of one with today's current technology.


FOX, the oil companies, and the current administration are not to blame for the current situation. The blame, truth be told, rest with the environmentalists and O.P.E.C (those cool Islamic friends that the current Democratic Presidential Nominee holds so dear) . Both of which would like nothing better than to see this nation brought to its economic knees. Fox produces no oil and or gas. The are a television networks, to accuser them of bias is admitting the bias of the other news networks. You cant have it both ways, unless you prescribe to a flawed logic, which I already suspect you do. Just because you detest a news source that doesn't regurgitate what you want to hear back at you donst mean that they are bias, probably just right. The oil companies want to produce more oil and gas, and make profits through high volume, not high prices. And the administration cant do anything about it because they are only 1 branch of government, currently held in check by a socialist legislature. By the way... didn't the Dems promise to reduce gas prices if you idiots put them in office? Great job in doing that... you simply forgot to see do some research. Al Gore, the great socialist martyr for the environment, said himself, that the best way to reduce CO2 emissions is to reduce the amount that people drive, and the best way to do that is to price gas somewhere above $5.00 a gallon (either through restricting supply which drives up the cost, or by artificially raising the price through excessive taxing… its in his book "Earth in The Balance").

Im all for developing alternative, non-agricultural, fuel sources. But until we can develop that technology we must bite the bullet and drill somewhere in our own country! If they wanted to put a drilling rig right smack dab in the middle of my favorite lake, or even my own back yard, Im all for it. Drill Drill Drill. Any drop of oil we can get from our own soil is one less drop we have to pay our enemies for.

This country will never be united unless we can rid ourselves from the influence of the political left and the Marxist ideology that seeks to undermine the principals we were founded upon. Now you might say, "Heck man, I anint no socialust… Im just a hard workin' American just a' tryin' to get by", well by suporting a Democratic party that is so beholden to the political left, you are a defacto socialist. This aint the Democratic party of your grandpappy brother. Since the early 1960s the left has been exerting a greater and greater influence upon the Democratic party until it finally runs the thing as it does today. Where do you think all those campus radicals went once they shut down Woodstock and the drugs wore off. They didn’t just give up and go back to the commune, they joined the Democratic party. Probably see many of them at your local Union meetings… they are the ones with all the money calling the shots and spending your Union dues (hehehehehehe). This might be a shock to someone who obviously drinks the Obama Kool-Aid (your rhetoric betrays your political bent "unite"…. "work together" etc) but your savior in chief will run this nation into the ground economically, politically, and militarily. He is nothing more than a wolf in sheep's clothing seeking to gain power in order to implement his brand of "social justice" on every man woman and child. A modern day pied piper playing the tune that you want to hear as he leads all of the democRATS to their doom.

Keep on chuckin'