The energy non crisis

[WacoWildcat]

I've never really been on the off topic board much for certain reasons. I usually get on this site strictly for fishing because which is an escape for me from everything else. Since some of you guys on here seem very knowledgeable about the oil problems in America, I was curious as to what your opinions of this guys speech are. What he is saying does make since, unfortunately.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&hl=en

[jcb]

I've never really been on the off topic board much for certain reasons. I usually get on this site strictly for fishing because which is an escape for me from everything else. Since some of you guys on here seem very knowledgeable about the oil problems in America, I was curious as to what your opinions of this guys speech are. What he is saying does make since, unfortunately.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&hl=en

I stopped watching right after "there is enough oil on the North slope of Alaska to last America 200 years."

No one knows how much oil is up there. Anyone who can make a blanket assertion like that and present it as fact loses all credibility in my eyes.

[Grumpy]

jcb, you stopped watching too soon. This guy has an ever bigger political agenda then Moose does. Anyone, especially a supposed minister, that claims to have kept secret, for more than 25 years, something that will end the American way of life, is beyond belief. That is doubly so since he is now blaming Bush/Chaney for everything that happened during those 25 or more years that included seven different Presidents both Republican and Democrat. On top of that, he never did explain why he kept all of this information secret.

I agree that no one knows exactly how much oil we have within the U.S. boundries but his claim of enough to last 200 years in close to what I have read/heard in other sources.

Grumpy

[Moose1am]

Grumpy:
And you think you don't have a political Agenda when you go out and spread DISINFORMATION and GOP talking points saying that Global Warming is not real.

Hogwash. Global warming is real, it's happening now and Al Gore didn't make it up.

I'll be for legislation that will lower the cost of living. I want lower food cost and increased wages for the regular people.

I don't think it's right for CEO of major corp to be making 200 million dollars with bonus while others can't even buy their medicine or food.

And this gas crisis is killing this country. Cheney's secret energy meetings did nothing to help.

[Grumpy]

Moose, just for your information I AM NOT A REPUBLICIN -- I am an INDEPENDENT in my politics and, unlike you, in my THINKING!! Just becuase someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean that they are spreading HOWSWASH nor DISINFORMATION. Again for your information, there are millions of people that disagree with you AND AL GORE.

Grumpy

[Moose1am]

We know that Global warming is real.

Why are the polar ice caps melting?

Why are the Glaciers melting and leaving behind valleys that were once covered in tens of feet of ice?

Can you at least admit that the Glaciers are melting?

If not, that tells me that you refuse to see what is going on around you. And that's a shame.

The tallest mountains on earth are seeing their ice caps melt. There is less ice now than there was 30 year and 50 years ago.

Can you explain why the core samples of ice taken from some of the glaciers before they vanished showed an increase in CO2 content in their gas bubbles that correlates with increased industrialization of the Earth?


Disinformation is what the Fossil Fuel Energy Companies are all about these days.

We can't continue to grow this country when oil prices remain so high. And it's going to get worse if they run out of oil and prices continue to rise.

If we don't so something to encourage more research in to alternative energy source we are going to be very very sorry.

I'll tell you one thing. I don't support OPEC which is a Monopoly. I favor the break up of OPEC and I have been saying that since 1973.

This should not be a Dem Vs Rep thing. It should be a human struggle to survive issue. It should be a quality of living thing. It should be an American Thing.

It's a shame that some of the GOP Senators are so hard headed that they can't see the light in their eyes. Maybe it the payments that they get from the Fossil Fuel Companies. And if the Dems don't do something I'll be on their a(( too.

[DJD]

""This should not be a Dem Vs Rep thing. It should be a human struggle to survive issue. It should be a quality of living thing. It should be an American Thing.""

I agree 100%! We will never get where we need to be because of that problem. I'm just an average tax paying guy and the Democrats get me flustered with their cheap shots about the Republicans and I'm vary aware it works both ways. Neither party is 100% right but as a Country we are split due to unsavory political and business practices.

[Moose1am]

""This should not be a Dem Vs Rep thing. It should be a human struggle to survive issue. It should be a quality of living thing. It should be an American Thing.""

I agree 100%! We will never get where we need to be because of that problem. I'm just an average tax paying guy and the Democrats get me flustered with their cheap shots about the Republicans and I'm vary aware it works both ways. Neither party is 100% right but as a Country we are split due to unsavory political and business practices.

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DJD:
You are so correct and that's my point. We should follow the advice of the real scientist not the politicians.

The sad part is that the politicians now control the scientist and tell them what to say and what not to say. And they rewrite the scientific reports to change their conclusions.

They don't give out Nobel Peace Prize to people who lying. The honor is reserved for the best and brightest people. Al Gore is only telling us what the real scientist are telling us about this planet. There is no disinformation coming from Al. I wish that I could say that about the GOP side of this equation.

All one has to really think about to figure out who's the biased folk is to follow the money. Big Oil has billions invested in keeping our economy using huge quantities of OIL. They answer to their stock holders and that's all. Big Oil is not required to keep America Safe. They are a fascist company who's only responsibility it to their stock holders and all they want is a dividend check. The stock owners are not going to lose money and help this country ween itself on a cash cow. So they deny that global warming is happening. Even though Bush and McCain have publically stated on TV that Global Warming is real and it's happening now. The former CIA director is driving a hybrid car today. He too says that Global Warming is real and that the effects of the melting ice up north is hurting our own National Security. And the former CIA guys know all about our National Defense and were we are vulnerable. This summer there will be Chinese Nuclear Submarines up North in the Arctic Sea cruising under the open oceans just waiting for the launch orders. And there will be Russian Nuclear Subs up there too. They can get much closer to our shores because the ice is melting up there. They can even get more surface ships up there now. The polar bears are not the only ones in danger of the melting ice.

[jcb]

Moose:

"You are trying to confuse the facts again. I said that Global Warming Was Real not that it was caused by man. Two very different things."

Gotcha--so global warming is NOT caused by man. Glad we cleared that up.

[Moose1am]

Gotcha????? Are you serious? You got NOTHING!!!!!


You seemed to have finally said that Global Warming is real.

Is that your "FINAL ANSWER" or are you going to "FLIP FLOP" on me again?

All the real xperts at NASA and NOAA are in agreement. All the unbiased and truthful climate X perts understand that mankind is making our earth warmer by our human activities.

My text books from the late 1970's told me that.. And it's even more true today.

The evidence when looked at scientifically not politically is undisputable.

It's crystal clear that the earth is warming up.

[jcb]

"You seemed to have finally said that Global Warming is real."

Moose, what we have been discussing is causation, not existence. I challenge you to show me any instance in this thread where I said global warming wasn't real. Are you getting your discussion partners confused?

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"All the real xperts at NASA and NOAA are in agreement. All the unbiased and truthful climate X perts understand that mankind is making our earth warmer by our human activities."

So, in post #9 when you said "I said that Global Warming Was Real not that it was caused by man. Two very different things", you meant "Global warming is caused by man." Thanks for clearing that up.

[Moose1am]

Yes. Sorry! I thought you were someone else.

Now getting back to causation only!

I think that mankinds activities have had a significant effect on the warming of the earth, Global Warming.

We have been increasing the amount of fossil fuels burned. The amount of CO2 gas in the atmosphere has increased along with the temperature.

And the amount of logging around the equatorial zones have been on the increase. If you could see the pictures of some areas of South America you will noticed large tracts of land where the trees have been cut down and BURNED. This burning is releasing all the carbon from those huge rain forest trees. And cutting down the rain forest which helped to absorb lots of CO2 gas is not helping. So that is a double edged sword that helps to increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

What really worried me the most in the melting of those glaciers in the antiartic. Right now the sea ice is melting and that's not going to make the ocean levels rise. The ice displaces as much water as it would if it were just water. But when the ice on the continents starts to melt and slide into the Artic Ocean it will cause sea levels to rise. That's new water that's being added to the worlds oceans that was once a solid and on the land.

Global Warming was not my major issue. What I hate to see is the disinformaton that OTHERS, not you, have been putting on the net.

Sorry I mistook you for the others.

"You seemed to have finally said that Global Warming is real."

Moose, what we have been discussing is causation, not existence. I challenge you to show me any instance in this thread where I said global warming wasn't real. Are you getting your discussion partners confused?

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"All the real xperts at NASA and NOAA are in agreement. All the unbiased and truthful climate X perts understand that mankind is making our earth warmer by our human activities."

So, in post #9 when you said "I said that Global Warming Was Real not that it was caused by man. Two very different things", you meant "Global warming is caused by man." Thanks for clearing that up.