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I have no worries and I have already seen the GOP Trickle Down economic drag this county down.
Folks need to just ask themselves on question.
Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?
I was much better off then than after all these years of Bush's politics.
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"Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?" sounds like a talking point politicians use.
2 ways to look at it. I'm better off as far as lifestyle, I make more money and pay less of it out in taxes. On the other hand I've aged some. I can't run quite as fast or jump as high, but I don't think the president had anything to do with that. Wait a minute, since Bush is responsible for everything else wrong in the world, maybe it is his fault.
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Yep it's his fault for not instructing you on how to properly age, eat and exercise. Apparently, you have too much money and time so it's not fair to the under achievers so pay up! Watch out because once you start making over $120k Obama wants to be coming after you because at that point you are RICH and weathy so re-distibution of your money is in order! That's his plan, take from the so called wealthy, give money to people who under achieve or are poor so as to level the playing field....great idea huh? Dumb down the United States for the good of us all.
Seriously, I am better off because the small company that I work for has flourished. I don't like the additional money coming out of my pocket directly and indirectly because of oil prices but as a whole I'm ok.
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You mean to tell me that you only make $120K? That's peanuts man.
Unless you make over 2 mil you are OK with the taxes.
Those making 120K will get another $1000 tax rebate when Obama gets into Office in Jan.
But if your the CEO of EXXON Mobile then you are going to hate Obama. He will close the tax loopholes that allows Exxon to get by without paying taxes.
With Obama hard work will be reward not wealth.
Bush and his Reganomic has given us record deficits, climbing unemployment and has sent jobs overseas.
That's going to change soon.
Originally Posted by DJD
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Don, the right wing heartless animal you are, once again you've hit the nail square on the head. I wasn't aware 120k was ultra rich, but hey, you learn stuff every day.
Supply side trickle down economics have allowed a vast number of people to do well for themselves and their families, surely it wasn't from working hard so it must have been at the expense of the less fortunate. Why it's dragged whole counties down, Moose can provide a first hand account of that. BO promises to take those scoundrels' money and give it to you, if you'll vote for him.
Gonna get those evil corporations too. It's high time the Democratic party reigned in the capitalists and put this country on the proper road to socialism. Let's be more like our liberal Canadian neighbors. Nationalize health care, put the rest of those solid Dem programs in play, and get those income tax rates up there around 45% where they belong. It's change you can believe in.
Nevermind BO and every other ranking politician is rich and immune to their selfless efforts our behalf. Since they couldn't run it cost effectively, the Senate just privatized their dining room to save we taxpayers money. I just know they'll make sure the capitalist dogs running that outfit don't make an obscene profit.
Even Al Gore has turned the air conditioner down 2 full degrees in his home that's bigger than several average homes combined. What a guy. He's doing his part in the name of global warming, vote Obama and you'll be doing yours.
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It was the socialist ideals of great presidents like FDR that made America Strong and what it is today.
We need to get rid of the FASCIST BUSH and GOP who are running this government. Corporate America does not care about anything but their bottom line.
We have had 8 years of GW Bush and all that's done was make a very small percentage of the American's richer and the vast majority of American's poorer.
120K is not ultra rich. That's middle class no matter how you try to spin it.
120K won't buy you anything these days.
Vote for McCain if you want to continue the rise in Gas prices
Are you ready for $5.00/gallon gas by July 4th. That would be a great Forth of July Present from the Bush Adm to the American Public
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I bet that GW Bush sets the White House AC on 65 deg F. He won't worry about the cost.
Al Gore's house uses more green energy than the White House.
Al Gore should have been our President in 2000. He got more votes.
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Al Gore president? Scary. BO president? Terrifying. Bush a facist? Blatantly untrue.
Reality check: 120k is good money, properly deployed it will for a FACT provide a pretty good lifestyle for a family in Ky. If 120K is nothing to you, it's no small wonder you want the government to run our lives for us.
The president ain't gonna to jack about gas prices. Talk to Al and your other liberal pols about drilling for our own oil if you want lower gas prices. Otherwise, they won't be happening.
IMO Mr Hornberger sums your hero FDR up pretty well. Interesting who the facist turns out to be eh? Doubtful it'll help Moose, but read and try to learn. If you can't find it within yourself to read non-fiction, at the very least read the last paragraph carefully before you run and swill another mason jar of BO flavored kool aid.
FDR and the End of Economic Liberty
by Jacob G. Hornberger, August 1991
The watershed years were 1932-1937 the first two presidential terms of Franklin D. Roosevelt. This was the crucial period in American history the period in which Americans abandoned the principles of economic liberty on which our nation was founded. For it was during this time that the welfare-state, planned-economy way of life replaced the private-property, market-economy way of life which had existed up to that time.
Of course, this is not what Americans have been taught. From the first grade in their government-approved schools, the American people have been indoctrinated into believing that the Great Depression was the failure of America's free-enterprise system, that FDR's New Deal saved free enterprise, and that the economic system which characterizes the United States today is one of free enterprise. And the indoctrination is so effective that adults continue to believe the myths with falsehoods despite truth and reality and, even worse, continue to force their children to undergo the same political indoctrination in today's government-approved schools.
With exceptions (slavery being the worst), during the first 150 years of America's history, people were free to live their lives in any way they chose as long as their actions did not entail violence or fraud against others. Americans could engage in any economic enterprise without permission or regulation ... accumulate unlimited amounts of wealth without political interference ... do whatever they wanted with their money ... and travel anywhere in the world without a passport or other evidence of governmental consent.
This unique way of life was what distinguished the United States from all other nations in history. It was this way of life that became known as one of "free enterprise."
And our American ancestors believed that charity the caring of human beings for each other meant nothing unless it came from the willing hearts of individuals. And so our ancestors provided a way of life in which people could not be forced to help or serve others. The result was the most charitable nation in the history of man.
In 1913, the abandonment began. For it was during that year that the 16th Amendment the income tax was enacted. Appealing to the sins of envy and covetousness, the American politicians and bureaucrats promised that the tax would be levied only on the rich and that it would never exceed a very minute percentage. Ignoring the warnings of their ancestors, the American people rendered unto Caesar the omnipotent power to control the fruits of their earnings.
But that wasn't all. Also in 1913, the American people permitted the passage of the Federal Reserve Act which created a central bank, enabling governmental officials to control the amount of credit and currency in the economy. It was an action which ultimately would match if not exceed the destructive power of the income tax.
As documented so well by free-market economists Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, and Murray Rothbard, during the 1920s, the Federal Reserve Board, exercising its power to expand the money supply, caused an inflationary binge an action which created a false aura of prosperity. When the political authorities faced with this inflationary threat and restrained by the gold standard finally ceased the monetary expansion near the end of the decade, the inevitable economic hangover was reflected in the 1929 stock market crash and in generally depressed economic conditions. In other words, contrary to the indoctrination which the American people have received from their political authorities, the Great Depression was not the failure of America's free-enterprise system it was the failure of political manipulation of money and credit.
Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected President in 1932. Faced with the Great Depression a depression which had been caused by government itself Roosevelt's "solution" was to implement the socialist-fascist economic system under which Americans now suffer. Under the banner of "saving America's free-enterprise system," FDR was directly responsible for the abandonment of America's 150-year history of free enterprise.
Arguing that the American people could no longer be trusted to be charitable to others, FDR claimed that government the organized means of coercion and compulsion was needed to help those in need. And to effect this claim, he secured the passage of his New Deal for Americans. Roosevelt used the disastrous results of one governmental intervention political manipulation of money to justify another the socialist ideal of using government to steal from those who have in order to give the loot to those who need.
And what the American people had permitted to be done to them in 1913 came back to haunt them in a terribly disastrous way, for it was through the income tax and the power to expand money and credit that Roosevelt was able to accomplish effectively his political plundering and looting, not only from the rich but from everyone in all walks of life.
But Roosevelt did more than just enshrine into the American political and economic system the ideas of Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin (the mass murderer FDR affectionately referred to as "Uncle Joe"). Greatly admiring Benito Mussolini's fascist system in Italy, Roosevelt proceeded to implement the same type of economic system in the U.S. For example, his National Recovery Act gave him virtually unlimited dictatorial powers over American business and industry. And any American citizen who did not do his "patriotic" duty by supporting the NRA and its "Blue Eagle" soon found himself at the receiving end of FDR's vengeance and retaliation.
And it was during this period of time that such alien schemes as the Social Security Act, the FDIC, the Agricultural Adjustment Act, the Emergency Banking Relief Act the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Federal Securities Act, and the National Labor Relations Act came into existence all with the aim of taking control of people's lives as well as absolving them from responsibility for errors and foolhardiness by giving them the political loot that had been stolen from others.
But all of this was not sufficient for FDR. He persuaded Congress to provide him a power which Stalin and Mussolini proudly possessed: the power to nationalize people's gold. And his confiscation of gold was accompanied by one of the most shameful acts in American history: the repudiation of government debts payable in gold the noteholders, most of whom were Americans who had in good faith trusted their government, were instead paid in devalued paper money.
And what was the reaction of the American people to the evil, immoral, and tyrannical acts of FDR? Like people in other parts of the world who were suffering under dictatorial rule Russians, Germans, and Italians most of them reacted like sheep meekly going along with their own slaughter and, in many instances, ardently supporting it. Having lost the sense of self-reliance which had characterized their ancestors having lost their faith in freedom and themselves having lost their faith in God Himself the American people proceeded to relinquish to Caesar the power to direct their lives and plunder their fortunes, just as people throughout history had done.
But there were great patriots who stood fast and fought hard against the evil and immoral machinations of FDR. Some were well-known men like John T. Flynn, Albert J. Nock, Garet Garrett, and Hamilton Fish. Others were less well-known and now long forgotten but who were equally devoted to the principles of America's Founding Fathers men like Benjamin Wallace Douglass, a farmer from Brown County, Indiana; William S. Mudd, a newspaperman from Tuscaloosa, Alabama; and J. Edward Jones, an oil man from Kansas. Knowing that FDR was one of the most ruthless men who have ever held political office, these individuals nonetheless pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor in the defense of what they knew to be right.
For several years, the U.S. Supreme Court, led by four justices Sutherland, Butter, Van Devanter, and McReynolds declared FDR's socialist and fascist New Deal policies in violation of the United States Constitution in violation of every principle of individual liberty and limited government on which this nation was founded.
But the end came in 1937. In what many judicial scholars say was a result of Roosevelt's disgraceful and pathetic attempt to pack the court with some of his cronies, a fifth justice Owen J. Roberts, whose vote had helped to invalidate much of the New Deal shifted his vote in favor of Roosevelt's policies. And with Roosevelt thereafter being able to replace dying and retiring justices with ones who would do his bidding, the era of American economic liberty came to a sad and tragic end.
Is it possible to recapture the principles of freedom on which America was founded to end the welfare-state, planned-economy way of life to return to a true free-enterprise system to regain the moral principles associated with individual liberty and limited government? You bet it is! But it will take a willingness to confront reality and to free our minds and those of our children from years of political indoctrination ... a readiness to fight for what we know to be right and true ... a faith in freedom and the caring nature of others ... and a conviction that man, not government, should ultimately control his own destiny.
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Passing on some words of advice from Mr. Blackwell......
Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun "States"
It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.
We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender.
Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.
The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the front runner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him.
Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate.
He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential front runner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant.. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty.."
Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Isra el and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s.
Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago.
Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich.." How to fix S ocial Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes
His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.
The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches.
His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.
But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.
It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.
Kind of scary, wouldn't you think
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So look behind his flowery speeches, what has mcbush done ? Came for a career military family, served his country, was in a prison and tortured, and almost wound up in jail because of his activitys with a lobbyist.Has this guy ever had a private work place job? He voted against benefits for GIs why?Is that remembering his roots? He is afraid it will cause the military to loose valuable soldiers, why not boost the reenlistment bonus? And WHY do we still have troops in korea, japan germany, kosovo,greece, belgium, and thats not counting navy and marine units who are deployed at sea. We dont have a draft, these kids enlist for many reasons, one of them being scholastic help in return for service, and that is supposed to be opposed?A lot of american prisoners of war, never signed a war crime statement. And those who did, maybe couldn't take anymore abuse, I'm not the one to judge.
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No, we should look at BO since he will do us alot of harm. Even in your everyday experiences don't you become concerned of a polished salesman? You know someone who has an answer for EVERYTHING! He smiles and says nothing, he talks and says nothing and when in a corner he sacrifices anyone around him. He is a slick public speaker nothing more. Why doesn't it matter to you guys that he is associated with radicals? Knows nothing of foreign policy and has controversy around him at all times? What makes him so great? Because he is different? Thats real intelligent!
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Re: Obama
Barack Hussein Obama, the Presidential Democratic
Party candidate, is for banning all guns in America.
He is considered by those who have dealt with him, as
a little more than just a little self-righteous.
At a recent rural elementary school meeting in North
Texas, he asked the audience for total quiet.
Then in the silence, he started to slowly clap his
hands once every few seconds, holding the audience in
total silence.
Then he said into the microphone, "Every time I clap
my hands a child in America dies from gun violence."
Little Johnny with a proud Texas Drawl, pierced the
quiet! "Well, stupid, stop clapping!"
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